| Author | Message | ||
     Arvebuell |
Just reading that Harley went down big time in the stock market. I guess expectations are coming down. Somebody can venture the future of hog market? Can this company keep on growing like it has for the last 10 years? | ||
| Doughnut |
Is Buell's stock separate from H-D's, or are the one and the same? | ||
| Arvebuell |
One and the same.....from what i understand buell is doing pretty good in europe but I would guess it is a blip in sales for Harley | ||
| Arvebuell |
One and the same. Buell must be a blip for harley. I would guess they sell more in t-shirts than buells. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
I think all the companies making choppers and using the S&S motor has hurt Harley. Think about it, are these bikes Harleys? Thats what the guys who buy and ride em say they are. I think all these rigid framers are just a fad. The tires on these things are getting so wide you don't need a kick stand. Give me a stock Dyna low rider any day. ALL SHOW NO GO. Like Kevin Drum says. If it want run, then chrome it. | ||
| Scitz |
Yeah, I think the chopper thing will die down. If you notice on the Biker Build Off a lot of the builders are switching to more of a bobber style or classic riding position. I like the Roland Sands bike, that looks more like a street fighter than a chopper. I like the Buell because I like the street fighter and cafe racer look. Harley came out with the Street Rod this year which is a V-Rod but with standard foot controls. I bought a Honda cruiser a couple of years ago as my first bike and switch to the Buell because I didn’t like the forward foot controls once I got use to riding. My back would also starting hurting after a while. | ||
| Stryker_buell |
If Buell had its own show rooms away from Harley they would sell tons more bikes. | ||
| Stryker_buell |
Plus one other thing... Harley is a very strong company. I dont think they really have been hurt by the "chopper craze" if anything it has made sales better. They over est. earnings last quarter and got smacked in the face with 18% loss. I think the stock was corrected to it true value. | ||
| Hawkdriver |
Stryker, you got that right. So far it seems that the dealerships don't have an interest at all with the Buell's. The first salesman I talked to at the dealer here told me up front that he didn't know anything about them. They have one guy that knows what he's talking about when you say Buell. Hell, they didn't even have a parts manual at the "Parts" desk for crying out loud! | ||
| BadS1 |
And speaking of S&S.HD has a law suit against S&S right now.Concerning copying Twin Cam designed parts. | ||
| Chainsaw |
HD sales down 1% domestic, up 2-3% in Europe and Asia. Stock took a double digit drop today. I'll get really excited if the price on a new 2005 Road King Custom drops 17%. HD is a Blue Chip Stock. Double digit earning increases nearly every quarter since 1993 (IIRC) Anyone wanna bet HD goes up tomorrow? Most people will see this as a buying opportunity. | ||
| Court |
HD doesn't even know the "chopper craze" is out there. Buell makes more bikes in a day than any of them build in a year. In 1983 my Dad sold his business, took a fairly substantial chunk of change and bought HD stock about the time I bought my first Sportster in 1987. Dad passed away 5 years ago tomorrow, and Mom is still living, and can for many years, off the HD dividends. Every $1,000 of 1987 HD stock is, as of this week, worth about $150,000. If may look like things have "cooled off" to you, but I was hearing that in 1990. HD has been one of the most wildly successful companies in business history. I recall 1998 (when we intro'd the S1WL) and all the hoopla over if HD could REALLY produce the 200,000 units per year they'd established as a goal for the millenium. Now, as they make 329,000 per year, that seems so far back. Buell is not, you are correct, even a blip on the HD radar. Good, I say. It was never intended to be. The Turbo 911 is not ever a blip on Porsche's screen, I'd hate to see it eliminated. Court | ||
| Jlnance |
The Turbo 911 is not ever a blip on Porsche's screen Forgive the offtopic diversion. Last week I looked up the 0-60 time on my M2. Then I looked it up for a Porsche 911 Turbo. It's a very satisfying feeling to know my $3800 bike accelerates faster than a $100,000 Porsche. Now back to your regularly scheduled posts ... | ||
| Ftd |
"HD doesn't even know the "chopper craze" is out there. Buell makes more bikes in a day than any of them build in a year. " Not to be a pain but Roger Bourget now builds 1000 bikes a year. You add in AIH, Big Dog, Swift, etc. and I bet that number is bigger than most people think. When I bought my Bourget in '98 he was building 100 a year. Frank | ||
| Jenn |
"HD doesn't even know the "chopper craze" is out there" I'm sure that Harley took note but choppers are not their target market. People everywhere are dumping money into homemade bikes and in a few years this too will pass. It's a lot of time and money spent for a conversation piece. Personally I think that choppers are more for tooling around town or showing off, unless you are into pain. I think Harley is more interested in owner loyalty and not the latest craze. The same reason Nike didn't invest in Jelly shoes!  | ||
| Race_pirate |
Everytime it dips I buy more, HD is here to stay, the industry on a whole sold over 1 million bikes for 2004, that means more gear repairs bla bla bla. I have been a share holder since 98' take the ride BUY BUY BUY. | ||
| Daves |
Thankfully, H-D is more interested in building bikes you can actually ride somewhere. | ||
| Outrider |
I can't believe this. Stock prices are in a constant stage of flux. Check the short and long term charts for HDI. This is nothing more than a little dip and nothing to be concerned about in the long term. If you consider the investment HDI is making in developing new bikes and engines that should be introduced over the next several years, HDI is still a safe bet. Just buy low and hold. Of interest, the same holds true for Harley's bikes as well. | ||
| Arvebuell |
Court, Outrider, Race, I am not actually talking bad about HDI, I guess if I have to bet I would guess it would continue to be a great company and grow into the future and I am hoping that this continue to be so for Court.  . Stupid me that I dont have a share. Actually you never know were you are going to learn and I think most of you guys know more about bikes than I do...anybodys guess about the future of the bike market is as good as any wall street analyst. | ||
| Outrider |
Arvebuell...Didn't intend to dis' anyone with my reply. It is simply that HDI is not a day traders choice. It is a buy and hold stock. You know, the type of stock that a lot of us early retired (read: Pre-Social Security Types) use the dividends to pay our bills with and speculate with the above and beyond money on the blue sky ventures. As for HDI in particular, I'd recommend holding if you got any and reaping the rewards in the future since you may have missed the bell concerning selling short. | ||
| Court |
>>>>It is simply that HDI is not a day traders choice. It is a buy and hold stock. That's true. What would you think about someone who shorted 500,000 shares after a lecture from me at last year's Xmas partry and then sold them.....LAST WEEK? HDI is not, nor is DMH, a "day traders" type of stock. My Spousal Command Unit is one of Wall Streets best (and was the youngest partner ever in a Wall Street firm at the seasoned age of 23 when she was finishing her CPA and sleeping under the trading desk 3 hours a night) and plays the scary market of foreign FX (foreign currency exchanges) where you may be in and out in a matter of minutes. There are diversions, notably the move into Japanese banking and Russian oil that put her at the #1 hedge fund last year. All a single individuals $$ and I gotta tell you, if I had a billion dollars, I still wouldn't have the guts. Court | ||
| Bomber |
I'd agree that HDI doesn't pay much attentionm to the "chopper" craze -- I see a fair amount of these bikes (and some of the companies ARE selling a fair amount of them, as stated above), but I submit that very very few of them are Harely replacments, or, if they didn't exist, their owners would buy Harelys (Harleies?) I beleive they are (in the main) fashion accessories, and go along with the $10K watch, 911 Turbo that never gets out of town, the cigarette boat whose owner doesn't know the meaning of the term, the hummer that doesn't go off road -- they are the cool thing to have lower the hammer slowly, those of you that have these bikes -- there are exceptions to every rule, and you are likely it -- but, I simply don't see most of these creations being used as motorcycles very often . . . .I'm willing to bet their sales affect those of HD by far less than 1% |
