| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
Good Lord! Can you imagine what all those 18 year olds running around on 130 hp 52" wheelbase bike would do to our insurance rates! Holy Ducasuki Batman! | ||
| Ralph |
Air is also a fluid; if it is judiciously forced, directed, and regulated in it's function as a coolant, is assisted by some level of liquid cooling in critical hotspots, and if the cooling surfaces of the engine are optimally designed, an air cooling system will outperform a liquid cooling system Ah Ha! That's what I've been waiting for! That nail got hit on the head,Blake. BUT that ain't the way it's gonna go. In order for the air cooling system to work at a high level it takes baffeling and other methods of guiding the air to the areas that NEED air. I'm not talking about some cracker assed scoop hangin' off the side of the bike to puff some air over the rear cylinder. Take a look at a Volkswagon motor. There's an air cooled motor that does the deed. So there's the fix for the problem if somebody wanted to take advantage of it. So why don't we see it in action? To freakin' ugly. People want "pretty" motors, not effective cooling systems. Engineers are having to labor under constraints placed on them by styling hacks because on the bottom line how it looks is equally as important as how it works. You yourself (and some other verbous engineer  )have said a few times that one of the things drawing you to the Buell was the clean lines of the the exposed motor. Or in other words, thank you for validating my little tirade. Ask Mr Dickey about the oil cooler for the TC motor sometime. bighairyralph | ||
| Jim_Witt |
Fellow Hooligans, Hey, I got an idea! Let's all beat up on Neil for a while! Cheers, -JW:>) | ||
| Jim_Witt |
Jima4media suggested: Have you looked at the intake path and air filter box? There is actually room in there for a turbo. Make it an after-market add-on item for getting around the insurance hit. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, you know what I mean?) Yes, Now you got my attention! I'd go for that puppy in a heart beat. Although the XB doesn't do much for me (and I haven't seen or ridden one ) I might be interested in one with a turbo. S'later, -JW:>) | ||
| S2no1 |
Jim_Witt, You mean you want to wear the thong? Oh God, now I am really blind. I think a turbo would be good on an XB, the question is with that short wheelbase, and low center of gravity, how do you keep it in a straigt line and the front wheel on the ground? What about the smooth power delivery that allows this bike to exit the curves according to press and riders reporting here, full on earlier than the other bikes, thus exiting faster? Having not ridden a Turbo bike, just how abrupt is the power? Arvel I never pick on anybody, I just call em the way I see em, Oh no, I just had another vision. Blake, your in big trouble bud. | ||
| S2no1 |
Anon, Last I hear the 44 year old HD and Wing rider were dieing off, not the 18 year olds. Might actually lower may umm age groups insurance rates. Arvel | ||
| Jim_Witt |
Arvel asked: Having not ridden a Turbo bike, just how abrupt is the power? Hey, Ever seen a guy fry in an electric chair? Once the switch is flipped, the power is there. No difference with an Aerocharger. S'later, -JW:>) | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Turbocharger performance comes of age for Harley-Davidson Motorcycles | ||
| Blake |
José: "Buellesque", heheheh, I like it. An EPA compliant XB12R is definitely doable. Imagine a few strategically placed oil passages and a bigger oil cooler. The muffler problem has been solved already, no big deal. I'm not saying it's a trivial matter. But it certainly ain't impossible. As to the EPA regs gettting worse, are you referring to emissions or noise? More stringent emissions regs I can see, but noise? Why?  | ||
| Blake |
BHR: Yeah, air cooling ducts can be fugly. I'm betting a determined creative designer can make 'em enhance rather than detract from the engine's artform. And with the judicious use of oil cooling, I'm sure the ducting could be kept to a minumum, kinda like, oh, what's that bike's name... the Firebolt?  Jose: So they've actually tested a hopped up M2 engine with special intake/exahust and it passed the 80 dBc test? Did you just prove my point or what?  Ever hear of a "silent chain"? Many moto manufacturers use them for their cam drives. Swapping the primary's roller chain for a silent chain would go a LONG way to reducing mechanical noise, as would embedding oil passages in strategic places (try ringing a tuning fork that's immersed in oil). Really, it ain't so tough as you are making it out to be. | ||
| S2no1 |
Jim_Witt, Electric chair, another visual I could live without you know. I have nighmares after watching the Mummy. Sorry for my poor typing. Have the kids tonight and they want their father's undivided attention. So is Aerocharge making a new model José? Arvel | ||
| Ralph |
Blake, a (cracker ass) scoop hanging off the side of the bike is NOT what I see as a comprehensive and effecient cooling system. It is an add on in an attempt to TRY to get some additional air flow to the rear cylinder. Does it help? Yes. Is it comprehensive? NO. The Volkswagon engine DOES have a complete system. Take a look at it and then try to talk down to me about ducting could be kept to a minumum, kinda like, oh, what's that bike's name bighairyralph | ||
| Jim_Witt |
José: Just for information sake, that's a "really old" link for the turbocharger. No big'ie, just letting anyone know, that may not know. Cheers, -JW:>) | ||
| Blake |
But Ralph, if it works, it's pretty darn efficient ain't it? Not talking down to you AT ALL! I think you will find that there is much more to the XB9R's enhanced cooling airflow than just the left side scoop. I see the whole thing working together, fairing, frame, scoop, airbox, trim/ducting, and fan. The beauty is that it doesn't LOOK like anything special, that it is integrated almost completely within the bike itself. THAT is the kind of design I admire. The VW engineers had no reason to worry about the asthetics of their air cooling system; they applied the most efficient solution given their lack of asthetic contraints. Blake | ||
| Roadrunr |
REEEAOWWW! CAT FIGHT!!! FSSSST FSSSST!! |
