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Scitz
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was looking through the new items on Americansportbike.com and noticed this item:

http://www.americansportbike.com/shop/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F4220618&rnd=3568 355&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=9305&cat=new&catstr=HOME:new

Vehicle Diagnostic Scan Tool for Windows

99-05 Vehicle Diagnostic Scan Tool for Windows, for all FI Buells, includes SW and cable adapters. Access the diagnostic codes stored inside your ECM, perform active tests of functions such as the fuel pump, injectors, coil, etc. Perform TPS and AFV resets. Monitor and log engine performance, temperatures, throttle settings, etc. Hooks to PC using the DB9 RS 232 port. Simple installation, easy to use. With this tool, you are no longer a slave to the dealer if you have an FI bike.

Just wondering if anyone had any info on this item and if you thought it is worth adding to the toolbox. I'm a computer tech with an automotive background and I like anything I can use to merge the two talents.
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Daveinm
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine is on the way. I think Al sent it out yesterday. He said it was pretty cool. I'll let you know my thoughts after I play with it.
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Jon_s
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm pretty sure that's the TechnoResearch software.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is the Technoresearch SW. It is so very cool to not be a slave to the dealer for TPS and AFV resets. The SW works as advertised, does basic diagnostic stuff, TPS resets, AFV resets, diagnostic fault code resets. Was easy to install, easy to connect. The only difficulty I had was understanding that a TPS reset doesn't change the value that is displayed on the screen when it is zeroed, it merely changes the value that it poked into the ECM at the fully closed position. When the ECM is figuring out what throttle position is being commanded, it subtracts the value that is poked into the ECM at the throttle fully closed position from the value that it is currently reading. The difference is the value for how far the throttle is open. The tool does not zero the value that it is reading when you execute a TPS reset. Confusing at first until I got it.

The guys at Technoresearch asked me if I thought I could sell SW that let you poke a new fuel map into the stock ECM. I told them I could sell 100 of them in the first weeks if it worked. They already have such a product for Harleys. Would that be cool or what?

Al
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Dbird29
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al,
Does it work with the Race ECM?
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That would be brilliantly cool Al... Make them do it : ).
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Rr_eater
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al, drop me a line about the new software dealio, or I will call you when work lets up tomorrow!! (yeah right)

Bruce
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Al_lighton
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

David,
In fact, I can only say for sure that it works with the race ECM, because the shop XB and my personal S3 that I've tested it with both have race ECMs. That said, I'd bet it works fine with both.

I'll call you tomorrow, Bruce.

Al
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Unibear12r
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow, way to go Al!
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Ingemar
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine worked once, then it gave up on me. When it did work, it disconnected every other second, even when I updated all the software.

I found out about it when a friend visited me and I wanted to demontrate how cool it was and I couldn't get it to work.

It appeared the dongle was smoked (don't ask me how). I have sent the unit back to technoresearch and expect a new one in a week or 2.
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Opto
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al, above all, being able to put a new fuel map into a Buell XB ecm would be the ducks nuts, they would sell heaps, we've been screaming for something to do that for too long, we've fitted TFI's, Power Commanders, Megasquirt, played with sensors/sensor positioning, thousands of tps resets, thousands of AFV resets,tried stock vs race vs stock ecm's, dyno this dyno that, you name it we've tried it or are working on it, and all along,

all we ever really wanted was to change the map in the ecm!
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 07:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al,
The modified Technoresearch would certainly be an attractive item if it worked.
Please let me know if and when you have them for resale.
-Jonathan
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Jon_s
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bought a Palm version from Daves and picked up a NOS Palm V11x on Ebay for 30 bucks. It works like a charm, though I have to admit it took awhile to figure the thing out.
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My new rolling dyno lets me record A/F, RPM, Temp, Speed and Acceleration while riding. The moment the Technoresearch lets me re map the EFI, I'll buy it. For now I'll have to dial in the TFI to approximate my requirements.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Would that be cool or what?
That would be way cool.
It's what everyone has wanted all along.
I wonder how far along they are with it, or if they are just trying to figure out if it's worth doing or not.
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Sarodude
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Grease Monkeys have indeed met The Geeks. Life is good.

-Saro
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Al_lighton
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ingemar,
The testing I did on my S3 and XB9S was with a Toshiba Satellite Laptop, a fairly ancient one at that, running win2000. The SW stayed connected reasonably well, except for that whenever you change from the Active setting mode (i.e., TPS and AFV resets) back to the data display mode, it disconnects. Not a big deal really, just hit the connect button and 20 seconds later it's connected. I'll talk to the manufacturer about that, though. Sounds like you had a flaky dongle, I'm sure it will work when you get the new one.

I don't think they've started the Buell ECM mapping project, they're in the market study phase. I'll convey everyone's enthusiasm. DaveS, please do the same when you talk to them, pump it up.

Al
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Saro,
would the new varient be called Greasy Geeks or Nerd Monkeys? Hey Glitch, how about a pic of a Greasy Geeky Nerd Monkey? I'd do a google image search but fear it would trigger all sorts of IT alarms.
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Ingemar
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Al. You're right, mine disconnected swithcing views too, but from any view really. Not just from active settings. Reconnecting not always worked.

I ran it on a Dell Optiplex GX110 (PIII 1Ghz). Running Win98SE, Win2000 and WinXP. I tried several versions of the software and played with COM poort settings.

Anyway, Technoresearch is swapping it for a new one so I'm still happy. The new unit should be for an Ipaq running mobile Windoze. Very portable and I can take it anywhere with me, and use the data logging feature
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Cruisin
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey, where'd you find my high school pic?

Good one Glitch...21 minutes from request to post...
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

21 minutes from request to post...
And I'm on dial up too!
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Who said the dial tone is dead.
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Ingemar
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

21 minutes from request to post...




... I *knew* someone was keepin' track of this ...

Now you got a rep to keep up Glitch. For any valid request we now expect a textual response within 10 minutes and delivery within 30 minutes. ; )
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now you got a rep to keep up Glitch.
DOH!
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Geeks rule! You all would have laughed at me Saturday - Buell mechanics shirt on, greasy fingers pokin' at my laptop, digital voltmeter balanced on my lap..... XB thumping away generating enough data to explode my brain.
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Sarodude
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Sounds like you had a flaky dongle



Hey, I thought this board was for family audiences...

-Saro
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Scitz
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, I've been to the Technoresearch home page and they have a product listed as Direct-Link:

TechnoResearch has designed and developed the following products: Direct-Link Race PerformancePro and Direct-Link Race Performance Basic. These products are ideal for any size workshop or dealership and perfect for use in aftermarket off-road applications.The Direct Link Basic provides the dealer and/or repair shop with a means to reflash the memory of the ECU with high performance maps. The Direct Link Pro provides the dealer and/or repair shop with a means to tune, modify existing maps and reflash the motorcycle ECU. These products reflash the motorcycle ECUs via the OBD serial line without adding on any extra hardware, which can commonly cause ECU failure due to poor electrical connections.

It also lists these features:

PRODUCT FEATURES & BENEFITS
•Reflash multiple maps via serial programming.
•Modify fuel front & rear cylinder table, spark front & rear cylinder table, etc.
•Modify Rev-limiter (RPM)
•Fuel front & rear cylinder, spark front & rear cylinder, etc. table tracer
•External Wide-Band Oxygen sensor
•View data using strip chart or gauge/meterformat
•Data logger feature: automatic or manual modes. Logs data on basis of user-definedengine parameters.
•Alternate data capture positions: start/middle/end
•Available in 5 languages
•Direct-Link comes with CD-ROM (software &manual), serial interface box & cable, & Hardware Key for USB or Parallel Port.

Is this the same product? If not does any one have experience with the Direct link?
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Tatsu
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I'll buy that for a dollar!!!!" (gotta see Robo Cop) Actually on a serious note, I would buy one too. I up for flashing anything.
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is a video pertaining to that product... Notice the silhouettes near the middle of the video...

http://www.technoresearch.com/Video-Files/directlink-4I30.wmv

Certainly not concrete... but interesting none the less.

I've e-mailed them to see if they are working on anything for the XB (or, more correctly, to see if they'll admit to working on anything for the XB...).
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