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Jerseyguy
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 02:38 pm: | 
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This is the data acquisition system I have running on my bike now. I've augmented it a bit with some of my own ideas to make it XB specific. As soon as the weather clears up I'll have some conclusive data. All I've got now are no load RPM excursions and some first & second gear parking lot pulls - not much to have any definitive answers.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products.php |
Tatsu
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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WOW! They really need to do this for the XB! |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:20 pm: |
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my technoresearch device does not work. never has. |
Scitz
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:25 pm: |
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Fullpower, What technoresearch device are you using? What problems are you having? Have you been in contact with the vendor to resolve the problem and have they been helpful? I'm looking into their products and am interested in an problems and how well it is supported. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:32 pm: |
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Al,
Please count my vote for the fuel mapping capability. I would buy it in a heartbeat.
xbolt |
Scitz
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:48 pm: |
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From what I understand the Techlusion system and PowerCommander only adjust the fuel map. What I like about the TechnoResearch Direct Link is that it says you can also adjust the Spark table and Rev limiter. If I'm going to invest the money in modifying the ECU I want something that will adjust more than just the fuel map. I would pay good money for full control. |
Brupska
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 04:55 pm: |
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Put me in coach. I'll play! I would buy one. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 05:14 pm: |
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scitz and others: after some telephone consultation with Giamberto at technoresearch, who with great patience walked me through a new software update/download, i was able to accomplish a TPS reset ( maybe, i have not ridden the bike yet) the screen did a little delay thing, then registered "PASSED" whatever that means. i then adjusted the throttle opening back up to 4.4 degrees, which is where it was before i did the closed throttle reset. also did a cold compression test while i had the thing all undressed. for reference with 10500 miles, my stock XB12 has 160 PSI front, and 150 PSI rear cranking pressure. so that is why it is very happy with 87 octane. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 05:45 pm: |
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to confirm: the TPS reset was a success. the bike is running just fine. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 12:43 pm: |
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The PC version of the SW was not working. It SAYS the TPS reset is successful, but it was not actually doing it. Sandro told me it was being directed at the injector rather than the TPS. DOH!!!
I've been working with the SW dudes, and I have the version here (2.71-O) for the PC that absolutely works. I have successfully zeroed my TPS at about half throttle and the bike wouldn't even run, and the throttle readings confirmed it being off. Afewards, I zeroed it corectly and the bike runs flawlesly. I've let them know the bug is fixed, and I'm sure they will get that version up on their site asap for download. The PDA version may not have had the same bug, I've only been working with the PC version.
The disconnect is not a bug. When in active setting mode, the connection type is not the same as when in diagnostic mode. I don't think that will change in the new versions. But it is trivial to push the reconnect button, so I don't consider it a big deal.
Al
(Message edited by al_lighton on March 16, 2005) |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 01:56 pm: |
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Some other cool info:
The Standard, not lite, version is the only one capable of doing TPS and AFV resets. The Lite version is a monitoring tool, but not active setting, tool.
The versions shipped in the future will be both PDA and PC capable. You don't buy one or the other, you get both. Run it on your laptop in the garage with full screen capability, run it on your PDA for data logging out on the road.
The tool already has port inputs for monitoring the O2 sensor, but that is not something that you can do with the single connection to the ECM. They have a separate tool that does this, the TR02 wideband monitoring tool, see here. Not cheap at $549, but wideband sensors just aren't inexpensive, no way around that. With this tool, you install their wideband sensor in the pipe. It outputs the wideband signal to their controller, the narrowband signal to the ECM. Their controller then inputs the O2 signal back to the VDTS software where the O2 signal is logged. With this setup, you aren't slaved to a Dyno. Install it on the bike, go for a drive, bring back the logged data, look at throttle position, RPM, and O2 data, and you'll know exactly where you are running rich or lean. For now, it's only of moderate use, because at this time, you only can hook this up in conjunction with a Techlusion DFO, which has only moderate ability to change the Air/Fuel map. A Power Commander really needs the 4 wire O2 sensor input into the Power Commander for properly setting the map. So unless you installed a separate bung on the pipe, you can't run both the O2 controller AND the Power Commander and get the data logged diagnostic info. More investigation is needed on whether you could use the narrow band output of the TR02 O2 controller to feed the input into the Power Commander. At minimum, some harnessing change would be required, and it isn't clear to me if a power commander 4 wire sensor uses single ended or differential input. If the second wire is just a wired ground return, it would be trivial wire harnessing only. If differential, then one would need to create a single ended to differential buffer to connect the narrow band output of the O2 controller to the input of the Power commander, so you could then hook the Power commander O2 narrow band spoofed single ended signal to the ECM. The heater input of the PC could surely be disregarded given the proximity of the O2 sensor to the port. Once warmed up, I seriously doubt there is a difference in output with heater on or off.
They are investigating the ability to remap the ECM directly, taking the Power Commander out of the loop. It will take some time before such a thing will be available, if ever at all, but it is being investigated. I told them there is much interest. The full system (Diagnostic SW, O2 controller, and Mapping SW) would likely be about $1k for all of it. So it wouldn't be cheap.
I am very excited about the possibilities, however.
Al |
Opto
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 04:46 am: |
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I'm looking forward to the possibilities Al, I really hope they can crack the ecm once and for all. $1k isn't cheap, but it's very economical. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:03 pm: |
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Some updates on the Technoresearch SW.
The TPS resets are working fine. I've confirmed it on a few bikes, both tuber and XB.
The AFV was reporting FAIL, but I've been told that the AFV reset function was working but the fail message was incorrect. That is fixed and the new version will be up on their site tonight.
The new version also adds some user friendliness, in that once you ask it to connect to the bike, it keeps trying until it does, giving messages along the way to tell you to make sure the key is turned on, kill switch on, etc. But you don't need to keep telling it "OK" every time to get it to retry. Nice.
As indicated before, the price went up, but only because it now comes with the ability to run on both PDA and PC. You don't need to buy one or the other. People that already purchased it at the old price get that too.
I've reset both my S3 and XB, works fine. A customer came in last friday, bought a race ECM, I reset it here at the shop (free, I don't charge for that), he drove away one very happy customer. The ability to do TPS resets makes me very happy.
Al |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 08:42 pm: |
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Further update:
Version 2.73-E up on the technoresearch website here: http://www.technoresearch.com/downloads.htm
Works in all ways. TPS, AFV, DTC, diagnostics, etc. connection methodology is cleaner too.
Al |
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