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Generalcuz
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just took my bike in for service by my local HD dealer and they prefaced this service visit as the last one they can do because of parts scarcity. This spooked me pretty bad, considering I need my 1125 to be reliable. (I am taking it on a cross country trip this month) I love this bike so much, but am scared that I won't be able to keep her running with parts being hard to find. It's down right now waiting for crush washers.

What are some opinions regarding this issue and where are people finding parts? I didn't need this down for two weeks because of washers. : ( Two weeks till departure.
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Rick_fears
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're worried about it that much, save yourself the headache and sell it. There are too many bike in the world to mess your head over one.

But, parts will not be a problem. You'll just have to know where to look and know how to work on the bike yourself. A smart man buys parts, a wise man buys tools ; )

Of course there is the EBR's. Essentially the successor to the 1125.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Given that every single part on the bike is still readily available (except for some random things like older than 2010 body work which has always been on backorder), I don't see any reason other than the dealer screwing up that your bike would be down for two weeks on washers. I recently got $500 of parts I needed for my 1999 Buell in about 3-5 days no problem. Same can be said for any other random part for any of my Buells I've needed.

Many of the engine related parts can be cross referenced to EBR bikes too, likely including the washers. (Hell I'm running a 1125R filter in my 1190SX).
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Generalcuz
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the input. Planning to put it up for sale after this service is done. About to head out on a 10 day trip with my father. We only see each other a few times a year with work schedules. Not going to risk it.

It has been nothing but a wonderful bike and I hate to part ways with it. Will have a for sale post up early next week.

I will hold onto my Cyclone forever. Let that be noted for the record.
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Sprintst
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Many shops don't even work on Japanese bikes that are over 10 years old

I'm not too worried about the 1125. The EBR's would scare the crap out of me. It wasn't long ago you couldn't even keep drive sprockets on it

There's lots of 1125's out there, so the used parts/salvage is ample. I've still had good luck getting parts from HD dealers, just with some planning needed

Crush washers - probably McMaster Carr. Washers are pretty universal. I get brake ones from amazon

I do all my own work, so I can plan accordingly

(Message edited by sprintst on May 04, 2016)
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Peeweesp
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same as stated above, Ive ordered a lot in the last year for my buell through Harley dealers. One thing i feel is a lot of Harley dealers just don't want to be bothered. I order most of my stuff online now mainly through http://www.newcastlehd.com/ i look up the part numbers myself
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Figorvonbuellingham
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure what you are worried about. There's more then one way to skin a cat. Any competent machine shop could make any part you need, especially something like cush drive washers. They could probably turn those around in the same day if not sooner.
If you have done all the general mods to your bike that are frequently suggested on this site that thing should be dead reliable. The Rotax engine is a very sound engine. I wouldn't hesitate to take it on a tour. My Aprilia has a similar Rotax and once I got the electrics and vacuum issues sorted it's as good as my 1125. Imho I think you're a bot paranoid but as the other post suggested if it eases your mental state sell her.
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Bubba_
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

selling mine would work the opposite
not sure i could bear it
: )
prolly just me tho
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Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

for my 1999 Buell

What?!?!

Froggy is totally tubular?!?!

So, what is it:
- X1?
- M2?
- S3?

Since the M2 has a carb and you are a binary/digital guy, I'd assume it's not an M2.

That leaves X1 or S3, and I could see reasons for either...
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Dannybuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the S1 was like that for 30,000 miles, 107K now. My 1125 experience suggests that they all need to be sorted out.
The fear of failure came early with a cooked stator at 2,000 miles. 22K now. If I keep to country roads with the RPM's Up no problems. Always on a tender, right? I'll do the rotor/stator/VR upgrade when the time comes.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 01:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Methinks Froggy's '99 is a lil' ol' P3...?
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Stevel
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is not a new problem. It has been with us from 2008. It will get worse for sure. This engine was never envisioned to be supported forever. For instance, oversize crankshaft bearings were never made, so crank regrinding was never an option, but as others have stated, it is solvable. Immediately, when HD shut down the Buell brand, I started buying spares from wrecks. Others have done this as well. The issue is actually very common across many brands and models, especially for Japanese bikes.

I was very happy when EBR started up in Jan. 2010 and the 1190 appeared thinking it would enhance supportability for the engine. Unfortunately, EBR never lived up to my expectations toward support of the 1125. I believe now, as I did then that EBR's lack of support for the 1125 was a poor business decision. There have been numerous exchanges between myself and Court over this very issue. It remains to be seen if this will change with the LAP assisted re-emergence of EBR, but I don't think so. I think EBR's intention is totally new sales oriented evidenced by the sale of all the support and development tools and machinery in the current EBR auction.
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1313
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Methinks Froggy's '99 is a lil' ol' P3...?



NICE!

But the Blast! wasn't released until the 2000 model year...

So, Froggy, whatsit?
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Generalcuz
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for all the input everyone.

Yesterday was an emotional rollercoaster for my mind as I debated the options. I bought this 1125cr from the money I earned on overtime the first year into my job. (Going on year 6 now) It was special as hell, and still is to this day. The miles I rode, ground covered, and trips taken on my CR have been interwoven into the fabric of my life and identity. Pulling the trigger and letting it go like this, just doesn't feel right at all.

Furthermore, with living in Colorado, I won't have new plates in time for the trip. So with great nervousness, I am going to take a gamble. The way I see it, it's either a $10,000 dollar debt for a new bike, or a gamble that could very well end up being a total loss of the bike on the trip.

The CR has had the stator fix a few years back. It has fresh fluids, new tires, new brakes, and a new fork rebuild. It rides just as good as the day I brought it home right now. Just waiting on those crush washers.

I am going to start a new thread to try and document this trip. Wish me luck.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"EBR's lack of support for the 1125 was a poor business decision."~Stevel.
100% agreement.

Who is the most likely person to step up for an 1190? A well supported 1125 owner? Doh.

Will Harley liquidate their inventory of Buell parts at the end of their support agreement?

LAP may be able to provide a sustainable business model.
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Xb9er
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like you only thing you need to do is find another dealer. Parts will always be available through ebay and various other resources. As long as you don't crash the only thing you have to worry about is checking valve spacing and washers are cheap and dealers can do the rest.
People still ride CB's from the early 70's and you will still be able to ride your buell for many years to come.
Your fear is legitimate; however, your fear is curable.
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Xb9er
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh and Froggy has an X1
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Captjoe
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"EBR's lack of support for the 1125 was a poor business decision." Stevel.

Not sure they had much of a choice here. I think it all depends on what was agreed to and on what Harley would let them do after they shut Buell down and who owns the patents and trademarks.

Although I do agree that the preferred focus was probably on making money selling bikes rather than supporting an old platform that still required R&D to resolve some of the lingering new product issues.

(Message edited by captjoe on May 05, 2016)
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How is a crush washer a proprietary Buell part? Surely there are numerous vendors that sell crush washers--they don't strike me a something that would be uncommon.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

one bike or another you will sort it out...

Wire up a piggy back controller for your ECM? A fixed map, right?

On an 1125 or 1190 race module? Optimal sensor based mapping at the Beaches, Valleys, Mountains, Deserts. Right?

Oil Changes?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#9452k147/=6d4n97
http://www.mcmaster.com/#97725a250/=6d4nsh
http://www.mcmaster.com/#97725a860/=6d4nku

google & ebay will find you oil filters that are competitively priced.
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Generalcuz
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are those the crush washers the HD folks are waiting on?
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep. Those are drainplug washers for both plugs.



Oh and for the comments regarding my 99, I needed another blue bike that matched my blue 1190SX : )
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Sprintst
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Danny, I knew McMaster Carr would have them

Personally, even though I have spares I think I've reused mine like 4 or 5 times now........
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No_rice
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2016 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just took my bike in for service by my local HD dealer and they prefaced this service visit as the last one they can do because of parts scarcity. This spooked me pretty bad

Hmmm, that's odd. My shop wouldnt say that, we currently have 4 buells in getting worked on at the moment.

I more think they just are being lazy and dont feel like working on it. I would take all my business elsewhere.
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Dennis_c
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2016 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reused mine 4 or 5 times at least
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Generalcuz
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2016 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just an update.

Picked up my bike yesterday. Its good to go, and the open road awaits in less than two weeks. Going to try and ride as much as I can until then. Riding home, I took the long way and it was instant happiness once I got on the throttle. That never gets old.

Planning to put up a new post with some pics this week or the next. Will try and keep a thread going like Krusty does for his trips.
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Old_mil
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2016 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let us know how it went...
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