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     1125rcya |
I was wondering what a 600 feels like compared to the 1125r on the track then the street. What bike would closely match the 1125R feel and power? 600, 750 or 1000 of course I'm talking about a rice burner lol Track wise (Message edited by 1125rcya on August 02, 2014) (Message edited by 1125rcya on August 02, 2014) | ||
| Mrsuperbuckets |
a 600 revs its nuts off and is whiny and you have to get way in the rpm's for and hp and you have no torque. the 750's are in the same boat as the 600's. a inline 4 still doenst have quite the same flat and useable torque curve of a twin. a inline 4 liter bike will blow your mind on a track because thats what they are good at, but just for track use a 600 will probably beat a 1125r i would say the r6 is a better track bike than the buell but you won't have as much fun. | ||
| Nm5150 |
I beg to differ.I can stomp on just about every 600 I have ridden with in the street class and I am not a great rider.I am usually a lot faster out of the curves and before they can gen revved up I can pass them going into the straights.I road the full corse at the newly paved VIR a few weeks ago and could pass 600's on the 3000' back straight at will.One guy on a 750 was a pretty good match and the 1000's would start walking away from me at around 140 mph but I could hold my own up to about there.I do have a race ECM and Drummer exhaust,gas charged forks and an Ohlins shock FWIW and was running DOT race rubber.Just saying. | ||
| Poppinsexz |
Agreed, I'd put the 1125r about on par with a 750 I can walk away from 600s and the liters will walk away from me. My one buddy owns a gsxr750 and we seem to be pretty evenly matched. | ||
| Nuts4mc |
If you go to a 2 day track day school...(out here Jason Pridmore holds his at Chuckwalla Valley...his classroom "chalk talk" will ask you where does the torque peak on your bike? Inline four = high RPMs Big Bore Twin = pretty much "flat") ...what kind of roads ( or track) do you ride on? - straight and flat? I-4 may be your ticket...if you have some twisties and want to concentrate on the entrance and exit to a turn...the twin is the only way to go... (you're not hunting for the correct gear to be in...you can concentrate on your line through the corner and keep your momentum up) plus I-4s have a high freq. buzz at high RPM...makes you hands go numb...but the finish lines are always painted on the straightaway...it's up to you where you want to go fast. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Didn't Rodrob place very high in WERA on an 1125? Seems that would be a testament to the 1125 and his skills of course. | ||
| Redponcho |
I have done 4 trackdays with my 1125. The 600's dont stand a chance on the straights and i can drive harder out of the corner than the liter bikes. The liter bikes will pull on me on the straights but I pull right back up in the turns. It is a blast on the track. Be ready to be a lone wolf out there. | ||
| Rodrob |
Didn't Rodrob place very high in WERA on an 1125? I wouldn't say "very high", but I did hold my own. A well set up 1125R will stay with any 600 with equal riders. There are significant differences however. I recently spent all day on a friend's nicely set up R6 because I am considering changing platforms. Compared to my 1125R, the R6 feels like a toy at first; smaller, lighter, lower, twitchy. With no low end torque, it took me quite a while to be riding in the power band. As they say, you need to "wring it's neck". It took me about a half a day to be turning the same lap times as on my 1125R. At first, I felt that the R6 turned in much quicker, but after a while, I realized that it was not the initial turn it, but the transition, side to side, that set the R6 apart in tight, slower turns. It was definitely more "flickable". However, initial entry was no quicker than the 1125R and I can eat lunch on my 1125R mid corner due to it's stability, where the R6 felt nervous and twitchy. The "flick ability" was only noticeable on tight back to back turns. On the more flowing turns, the 1125R was every bit as nimble. There is no comparison to the drive out of the corner. The 1125R simply says "see ya". The biggest surprise was the brakes. The 1125R/EBR brakes were better in every way than this R6, more power, better feel, better stability on turn in. I really did not expect this. The biggest difference was that at the end of the day, the R6 had beat the shit out of me. Constant shifting, stiff steering at high speed, the riding position and the twitchy rough ride, left me so sore, that I literally could not race the next day. Now, I am 61 years with arthritis a bad back and blown knees, so you might not have this problem. But the comfort and forgiving rideability of the 1125R is a significant factor for us older guys IMHO. Keep in mind that this R6 was well set up with Ohlins, quickshit, slipper, etc. My 1125R is virtually stock with the belt drive, race ECU, showa fork cartridges and shock. The biggest negative with my 1125R, is overheating. I have the flexiglass gen 2, fanless bodywork and when the temp on the track gets to be >98 deg., it just gets too hot (>230 deg). I am working on a solution. That said, I have seen other bikes over heat in these conditions as well. | ||
| Cfboss |
Guys, This video starts out with me chasing my brother on an S1000 BMW. I'm on an 1125. We get split by a WERA racer on a ZX10. I obviously don't have the top end, but I'm hanging on. http://youtu.be/EAhrolXRDqU | ||
| Deanh8 |
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBayAreaRacing/sear ch?query=Buell | ||
| Nobuell |
CfBoss It appears that the main lacking of top end was the straight after turn 4. Otherwise you are nipping at the tailpipe of the Kawasaki. Not bad for a HP track like Mid Ohio. Great job making up that straight away loss. Nice ridding. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Most of the examples being mentioned are track day experiences with someone else at the helm of the other bike. Sorry, but these mean nothing. So far Rob is the only one giving actual back to back, same rider, experience in feel and capabilities with a 600, which he mentions he does the same lap time with after very little seat time on the 600. (that does say something to the abilities of the newer gen 600 machinery) Much of the track day experience is how the rider handles passing and traffic, as seen in Cfboss's video just as people are starting to get away a bit a slower rider holds them up giving him a chance to close in. And nothing was mentioned of the R6 rider that gets by and checks out from everyone in short order. I'm not trying to poo poo anyones fun or enjoyment of their bike and experiences, but there are just too many variables. | ||
| Rodrob |
An R6 is a purpose built machine. It is the consummate track weapon for the masses. But the fact that I could not best my stock 1125R times on a very well set up R6, says loads about the potential of the 1125R. It also says that I am not reaching the potential of either bike. If you can tolerate the beating that an R6 will give you, it is hard to beat, due in part to the vast pool of knowledge regarding setup. Just try to find someone who can tell you how to set up an 1125R, at the track, or who has parts if you break something. I was very lucky to have befriended Shawn Higbee at the track who was the development rider at Buell for the 1125R. I got a master class every race weekend. He would stomp every 600, 750 and most 1000's on his well set up 1125R. Very few racers are going to pat you on the back and congratulate you for riding/racing a Buell. They will just scratch their heads. But they all love the sound! So if you don't mind marching to a different drummer and you love the feel of the bike like I do, just ride the damn thing. It will be a long while before the bike is what's holding you back. | ||
| Jdugger |
I sprint race an 1125r and endurance race a Gixxer 600. The 600 wasn't well set up for me, so I was considerably slower. But, when I've had a well set-up 600, lap times are very similar with the 1125r having the edge thanks to power. Personally, I feel the 1125r and 750cc inline-4 are a very fair match up at the club level, provided the 1125r is allowed to upgrade brakes, chain drive, and a few other items. | ||
| X1brett |
Think about all the stink people raised when the 1125r raced in the AMA Sportbike (600cc inline-4) class, even though Buell played by the rules of the class. People said the 1125r was too much bike for that class. Danny Eslick, riding the 1125r, won the championship. People seem to respect him but not the bike. I don't understand the lack of appreciation for the bike that won the championship. | ||
| Jdugger |
Oh dear god, not this shit again. | ||
| X1brett |
Haha, sorry about that. | ||
| Wymaen |
R6 was well set up with Ohlins, quickshit, slipper, etc. Rob, you made my day  |
