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Shawns
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is a good alternative to Loctite 648? Having trouble locating it locally
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Brokengq
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the rotor nut? Loctite 252. I have some if you really get into a pinch. I can ship you the bottle flat rate. Just ship it back when you're done. Just PayPal me $10 to cover it.

(Message edited by brokenGQ on July 06, 2014)
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Shawns
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whats the difference between the 2? The manual calls for 648 for the rotor nut and the sprag bolts. Would the Permatex 6400 work?

(Message edited by Shawns on July 06, 2014)
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Brokengq
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 272 (sorry typo before. Its 272 not 252) is red. 648 is green. The red is high temp made for crank bolts, etc. Not sure what the green specs are. I know they originally said 648 but had a problem with it holding and switched to 272.
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Shawns
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahhh. That would be the reason it was hard to find. Is the change listed in the manuals? Or a tech sheet?
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Brokengq
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure its either. I read it a lot on here and buellxb. I'd check into it.
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Sprintst
Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

See if you have a Fastenal locally. They are an industrial supply place and would likely have it.

Grainger is another one
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Noobuel
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

McMaster-Carr also carries it.
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Shawns
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 04:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just want to make sure this doesn't happen again.

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Sl33py
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I asked a similar question recently and someone correct me if i'm wrong, but it seemed like the permatex equivalents were easier to find:

Loctite / Permatex
272 -- 27200
648 -- 64000

Anyone comment or confirm? Be good to know before i button my stator back up (when it finally arrives...).

Rob
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Brokengq
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I tried finding some cross reference info, not a lot on the market. 27200 is definitely permatex's high temp red. Same as loctite...not sure if there is a difference in the compound. I found loctite 272 on amazon, shipped same day as was to me in 2 days. I got a large bottle, figured it would come in handy. If anyone is having trouble and would like a couple drops they are welcome to it. Just PayPal shipping cost to me, and I'll send my bottle flat rate. Shouldn't cost more than $10 both ways. (Extra cash for my time, materials, and gas is welcome : ) ) But I can understand if people don't want to go that route. $10 for one use is pretty high.

Once upon a time Harley told me that "regular red loctite works fine". Never had a problem with it personally, but I like to stick to spec just in case.
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Shawns
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, got the 27200. What are you guys using for the stator shoulder bolts? I have some 27100, but the torque breakaway and prevail numbers are higher.
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Brokengq
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2014 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just used the 272 on errythang. It all gets hot, and it all needs to be tight.
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Oldog
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Warning there were failures due to the wrong compound being used, one for the sprague bolts another for the main nut, its here..
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Shawns
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the horses mouth?

Hi Shawn,

Per the 2010 model year 1125R manual, we recommend:

Loctite 648 for the (6) sprag clutch bolts
Loctite 243 for the (3) stator screws and (2) cable cover fasteners
Loctite 272 for the charging rotor nut, torqued to 295 ft-lbs.

Thank you,
EBR Customer Service
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Dennis_c
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got the 272 Loctite had them look up the difference between the 271 loctite which I could find every where the 272 was more oil resistance. Think about that when you get another brand.
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