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Tbowdre
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 08:00 pm: | 
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>>> at that level of rider
Still Geoff May right?
Belt: no noise, no driveline lash, no adjustment, no cleaning, no mess, no worn sprockets, no monitoring
Chain: pain in the a$$ on my other bikes... the ONLY nice thing is changing the gearing which I actually do quite often on the supermoto
Your mileage may vary
Now I am being a pain in the a$$!, sorry Jdugger |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 08:34 pm: |
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> Still Geoff May right?
Yes, on a higher spec (faster) machine though. If the RS in AMA trim shows up in WSBK, I don't care who's on it, it will be a dog.
As for the belt, there's a lot of cleaning and monitoring. My get caked with tire boogers and it becomes a stretch problem on them.
Belt is totally fine for the street, though. |
Classax
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 08:55 pm: |
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>Yes, on a higher spec (faster) machine though. If the RS in AMA trim shows up in WSBK, I don't care who's on it, it will be a dog.<
Depends on which class they run. If they run EVO then they should be Ok, but you're right if they go full spec they better be packing 230hp as a min or it will get ugly quick. It will be surreal to see two former HD marks competing against each other on the world stage in the form of MV and EBR. |
Sir_wadsalot
| | Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 07:53 am: |
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Dugger's right. If we look at the bike like a rider moving up to WSBK...usually when a rider moves up, look at Spies, he's running 10 seconds ahead of the rest of the field, dominating AMA. The RS is ranked 8th.
It hadn't occourred to me that the brake wouldn't be up to WSBK as I was focussed on the engine. But yeah, that'll be the test. You can't "just go" to a dual disc- that requires a heavier hub in the wheel on top of the added brake hardware weight. It would totally ruin the "feel" and handling characteristics of a Buell engineered bike. the ZTL has always been a tradeoff between steering performance and brake performance, now we'll see if the compromise can survive WSBK.
I do really like the belt though, but I'm a street rider. I'm not likely to change my gearing for the two track days a year I'm realistically going to do. I constantly rub lack of maintenance in my friends faces  |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 - 09:08 am: |
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There is a carbon brake solution for our bikes, although I don't think such trickery is permitted in WSBK.
Oddly enough, I've been reviewing some analysis of the gyroscopic forces of the perimeter rotor vs dual rotor set-ups lately. Apparently steering on a single-perimeter brake system is no better than a dual disc because of where the weight (although less) is once spinning.
So, that would leave the EBR brake approach's advantages at basically just lower unsprung weight -- a suspension advantage only.
All this is just entertaining mental masturbation, anyway. Let's see what shows up in WSBK, and how it does.
Either way, I'm not giving up racing my Buell, and in a year or two, I'm sure I'll be on an EBR. It's a fun bike to race, it's something different, and that's enough for me. |
Sir_wadsalot
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 06:51 am: |
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AsI understand it the preimeter rotor setup was always meant only as a suspension advantage- unsprung weight. It was never meant to give "better" braking, just a lighter front end.
You would drop 20K on an EBR and slut it out? Or street/trackday it?
And no, CF isn't allowed in WSBK. Not even in MotoGP anymore. Cost savings measure.
(Message edited by sir_wadsalot on November 11, 2013) |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 09:00 am: |
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> You would drop 20K on an EBR and slut it out? Or street/trackday it?
Absolutely. I may wait for one or two slightly wadded rolling chassis to come on the used market, but I ultimately see myself racing this bike.
A bike like this has no place on the street. But, it's not exactly in race trim, either. At a minimum it needs suspension upgrades, just like any other off the shelf bike. Good suspension is very expensive, but "not so bad" suspension typical of production machinery is quite affordable. So, that's what gets put on at the factory.
Then, you need race bodywork with a real fluid-catching belly pan, and in order to get that to fit, no doubt a race exhaust will be required. This is also typical of almost any new bike -- race bodywork simply doesn't fit around the new massive exhausts required to meet emissions standards.
That's just to get the bike on the track. I'm sure once it's in my hands there's a long list of stuff I'd do! |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 09:03 am: |
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my mistake... it's ceramic brakes.
http://www.sicom-brakes.com/html/buell_racing.html
Wonder if they could use these (or if these are really any better?) |
Sprintst
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 03:28 pm: |
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A bike like this has no place on the street.
Why do you say that?} |
Pmjolly
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 03:58 pm: |
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Jim, I'll sell you my 1190RX after I wad it up trying to keep up on next year's track days. It's just money. Haha. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 04:44 pm: |
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Pat.. I'm buying!
Sprint -- my comment about the bike having no place on the street is probably overstated. But, you can't really open a bike like this up at sane street speeds. Its a bit like owning any i4 literbike in that regard -- there's basically no legal way to enjoy a bike like that on the street, even in the canyons. |
Tbowdre
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 05:13 pm: |
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Much, much more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow.... And the 1190RX is definitely going to be fast! |
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