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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

here's my story..
my 'new' 1125R i bought from PO had the weep.
(known issue when i purchased)
so, after studying the fix for some time - i purchased the new sleeve from EBR and installed.
(i followed the guy who did the youtube tutorial)

after messing up initially; i didn't seat the sleave properly in the clutch cover and it leaked like a sieve. i finally got it right and back together, looked correct.
i spilled some oil, just like the youtube guy did... so topped the oil level in small increments.

so, went to crank it up .. got click and then nothing. cluster went dark a second, then back on. repeated a few times, same thing.

so, charged the battery - PO had installed an antigravity hi-dollar lithium. it charged pretty quick. then, same thing..
kept trying tho , and finally, it cranked!
(i did noted a comm error a few times and once saw low voltage error on cluster)

well, when it started - big bellows of white smoke from exhaust.
wth?

clutched seemed good
mygawd.. have i killed her?

i didn't allow it to run long.. my thought was maybe somehow some dot4 had got in the crank..?? i dunno how.

(Message edited by bubba_ on October 08, 2013)
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

White smoke is likely water vapor/steam. Normal. : )
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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hope you're right.. it kinda had that steam smell.
But out of the blue? i've never noticed it before.

and the clicks/ comm errors on startup. never had that before either..

however, the reason he put that lithium battery on in the 1st palce was he said the "battery needed charging a lot".

figure the stator issue is next

(Message edited by bubba_ on October 08, 2013)
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





The comm error means there was a loss of communication between the cluster and ECM, which 99% of the time is due to low voltage. The clicks were due to a battery putting out low voltage.

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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

picture is precisely what i had a few minutes ago.

(and you gotta know i was nervous as heck working on the bike.. scared to death i'd eff something up)
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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so, nothing to do then?
just ride it?
: )
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well it wouldn't hurt to check the stator, and if you haven't yet, I REALLY recommend getting the EBR rotor cup if it doesn't have it done yet.
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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

went for a spin... she barely smoked this time at startup, then pretty much cleared.
no error messages this time. cranked right up.
appears the clutch is fixed - thank the Lord.

i know the stator fix is due. just trying to save some $$ for it. the bike had the HD harness fix applied by previous owner.

i'm hoping that if i installed the upgraded rotor, i might get by without a new stator.
possible?

if i 'looked at the stator', would it be obvious to me if it was shot?
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you put the rotor on a healthy stator, the stator will not fail. The only times I have seen a failed stator after the rotor was when it was already on the last legs.

While you can look at the stator and make a judgment call (burnt ones are discolored, but even healthy ones don't always have a uniform color), the easiest thing to do is take a multimeter and check the AC voltage on all 3 phases to make sure it is within spec.

From the electrical manual:

quote:

1. Test AC output as follows:
a. Disconnect voltage regulator connector [46] from alternator stator wiring.
b. See Figure 3-18. Connect an AC voltmeter across stator connector terminals 1-2.
c. Run the engine at 3000 RPM. The AC output should be 45-55 Volts AC.
d. Repeat the test across terminals 2-3 and 1-3.




(Message edited by froggy on October 08, 2013)
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99buellx1
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

some dot4 had got in the crank..??




How would getting fluid in the crank cause smoke from out the exhaust?
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Bubba_
Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i was speculating 99; couldn't imagine a thing i'd done that would cause the white smoke...

i dunno if dot4 in the crankcase causes white smoke.
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Shawns
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check this out. There is a lot of helpful videos on how to check your charging system

http://www.roadstercycle.com/Roadstercycle.com%20V ideos.htm
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Northernyankee
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a lithium battery in mine and have also had them in my race bikes. You will get the comm error when you first crank it due to low voltage.

With Lithium batteries I like to turn on the bike and let it sit for a minute while I put my helmet on...the electrical draw from the headlights warms up the battery a bit and then it cranks fine.

Here is a good article about lithiums, the part about being cold is at the bottom.

http://www.fullspectrumpower.com/lithium-batteries -in-cold-weather/
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Bubba_
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shawns - thanks! watched all those and they're excellent.

Northernyankee - we did have a little colder weather and i did notice a slight drag when starting, which is apparently typical w/ lithium.
also, the PO gave me his lithium charger. it's a made in china barebones thing imo...
what charger do you have?
some say a lithium charger needs to have a 'balancing' capability?

Froggy - as always... many thanks for all the kind assistance.
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Northernyankee
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use a standard Battery Tender on mine and have never had any issues.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You need to check with the battery manufacturer to see what they recommend or don't recommend for charging, each brand is different due to different technologies and chemical compositions of the cells. Some will void your warranty for charging incorrectly.
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Torquehd
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

haha. hope my youtube vid was of some service to you.
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Bubba_
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Torquehd
: )

it was excellent
i watched over and over.. trying to memorize each step you did LOL
(think i might need help)

but thanks for putting it up. it was a big help. and now, my clutch works much better. and no leak!
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