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Mako
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

going to try ebr ecm for fmf pipe. will update soon.
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Clk92vette
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you look at Dean's pics it is pretty clear what is going on in this muffler. The majority of the flow goes straight through the main pipe, hits the back of the can, goes forward through the large pipe opposite the two exit pipes,hits the top end of the can, and reverts back out the two exit pipes. The big holes near the front of the collector allow some flow and sound waves to head directly through the openings in the baffle plates and toward the exit pipes and create the helmholtz chambers. The small holes between the third and fifth baffle plates allow some flow to bypass the main flow path and head directly out the exit pipes. At higher flow rates/rpms, a lower percentage of the flow is bypassing the main reversion path. Mako has eliminated the reversion path but still has a helmholtz chamber in effect. Mako, what ecm are you using?
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Chessm
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so for us with cali bikes, where is the cat in that exhaust?
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Albert666
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the part that says c/s same as euro bikes
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Chessm
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks albert!
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S21125r
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The big holes near the front of the collector allow some flow and sound waves to head directly through the openings in the baffle plates and toward the exit pipes and create the helmholtz chambers."

I believe the Helmholz chamber at the front is completely closed off from the rest of the muffler - otherwise CAT equipped bikes would have a portion of exhaust gases that would bypass the CAT and would be untreated. If that is the case, and I think it is, then all exhaust gases have to go through the tri pass chambers - there is no by pass route.

Would be in interesting experiment though to create a small by pass by knocking a hole in the bulkhead separating the helmholtz from the rest of the muffler.
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Mako
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just put in ecm for fmf pipe. runs way stronger and I am slowly removing restriction to try and find a good balance of noise and power.
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Mako
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2012 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

very little restriction and 1700 to 4000rpm great torque. flat from 5k to 7k roll on acceleration but on drag like launches it rips all the way to redline? pulling front wheel on first to second shifts at 7500 ft elevation. I guess around ten plus hp gain.
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Mako
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just blocked off the holes in front chamber, what a pain it is welding the two layer exterior of the muffler. will test tomorrow.
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Mako
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sorry s21125r I did cut two chambers off.
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S21125r
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep - so all you really have is a extremely heavy straight pipe. Either buy a used muffler and try again or...

experiment - cut the thing at the seams, remove the remaining bulkheads, replace the solid mid pipe with perforated tube and pack it with rock wool/fiber glass. Weld it back up and you'll have a really large volume glass pack that should be quieter than your average slip on. Probably easier said than done, but I don't think you can do any further harm.
Good luck!
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Mako
Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just what I wanted. still wanted to be able to use muffler as a jacking point.
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