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Kusib
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello fellow Buellers.
I just have to share some enthusiasm...

I uploaded Firemanjim's Map for Stock pipe. WOW what a difference. He mapped each cylinder separately which works out so much better than just loading them the same apparently. The Bike is sooo much smoother everywhere. And Pulls like a freight train. I can literally cruise at any rpm and haven't had a hiccup at all. I am use to a stutter when riding V-twins when in the low RPM's My Suzuki TL1000R has that same issue. THis map corrected it all!!!
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Avalaugh
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dyno proven yet ? Will be good to see some public maps, however I find it hard to believe Erik's elves can be beat
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Kusib
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim did his own Dyno testing and mapping. I just happened to be lucky enough to be his Guinea pig. Here is the original thread.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/660534.html?1334147534
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Rogue_biker
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup. Anything is better than the EPA mandated fueling.

I wonder if Fireman Bob's map is better than the EBR map. The only way to know is to overlay the Dyno curves side by side.

If both works go with either.
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Redcrrider
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you reset your AFV's to 100? If I could figure out how to do it, I'd get his map.
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Kusib
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was kind of impatient at the time and my AFV's were at 104. Jim mentioned that the AFV's could be reset by disconnecting the speed sensor and I tried that but apparently it would also require a decent amount of riding like that to reset. As I said, I was anxious and pushed ahead. I Assume that my AFV's being at 104 would mean I am running slightly richer then optimal but I am ok with that for now. I will re-explore the reset at a later date.
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D_adams
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, but disconnecting the VSS will not reset the AFV. I asked, can't attribute it to a specific person, but the unofficial answer on resetting it that way is flat out NO.
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Kusib
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fair enough...lol
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Jaredc01
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So here's the question I'd like to know... Would someone be better off with the race ECM, or the PC with a custom mapping?
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Kusib
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I personally like the fact that I can ride with 1 map for commuting and/or long distance.. and with the click of a button change maps on the fly to something way more aggressive!
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Race ECM is cheaper, easier to install/remove, works right out the box, and has lots of little tweaks in addition to different fuel maps. The programmable ECM does cost more than a Power Commander, but it makes the PCV look like a Fisher Price toy.


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I personally like the fact that I can ride with 1 map for commuting and/or long distance.. and with the click of a button change maps on the fly to something way more aggressive!




The Race ECM is programmed to be perfect in all situations, I can still get 55mpg with it, and still outrun a F-18 (at least till 150!)
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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even the 1125 motor on an economy setting will have more power then I'd be able to really fully use since my bike lives on the street and not the track.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Race ecm is still not optimum,and cannot get one for every pipe,but you can tune a PC-V for any of them.And I tune the bikes for mileage down low.And am betting if it is like our race ecm it is still rich in places.
And what disconnecting speed sensor does is let you ride the bike with the AFV showing on dash so you know when it changes to 100.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How is the rideability between 3500-5000rpm at light throttle? The stock ECM with a Barker on my bike is moderately rough in that range, and the Barker eb r ECM is better but not great.
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Kusib
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 03:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With the map from Jim I was able to cruise in 3rd around town (or any gear for that matter) with my RPM's in the low areas that usually get that bucking going 2000 - 3500 and I could just roll into it without a issue. And I do mean NO stuttering chattering mess like I had before. Just a smooth excellerating. I then switched to the map from Dynojet that they called Stock for comparison... it was as nowhere near as smooth. I Now have a Saron pipe installed and it is still the smoothest map I can load hands down.
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Redcrrider
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What does Jim charge for a map?
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Firemanjim
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Give me a call at shop-- 707 996-6103.

Ridegreen, it is not so much more power as it is driveablity and smoothness overall.

(Message edited by firemanjim on April 13, 2012)
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D_adams
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is direct from someone who has a fair understanding of the Buell ecm.


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"Unplugging the VSS is defeating a safety feature that turns off the live data display as soon as the bike starts moving to prevent people from watching it instead of the road. Not something to recommend to people."




With that in mind, I assume you could do as Jim suggested and wait for the AFR to hit 100/100. Should you? Probably not. Do it on a dyno, sure, but playing in traffic?

It still stands that disconnecting the VSS will not reset the AFV.
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