| Author | Message | ||
     Orman1649 |
Got my first chance today to ride the CR with the new EBR ECM…amazing! The area by my office is 15mph and I always had to feather the clutch or feel like I was a rodeo cowboy….today…nice and smooth, even at 2-2500 RPM. Can't wait till it gets nicer and I have more time  | ||
| Dhays1775 |
I bought my EBR ECM from a fellow badwebber, man what a difference!!! Now you know how it's SUPPOSED to run!! | ||
| Syonyk |
Fueled like the engine wants, not like the EPA demands. It felt like it added a cylinder when I got mine. It was a huge difference, and I can putter about at light throttle sub-3000 RPM now too. | ||
| Rogue_biker |
I've been postponing buying one myself. I really should quit this and just buy the the EBR ECM because it really bugs me in very slow corners. | ||
| Craigsmoney |
what does the ecm do to the fuel mileage? With the ecm, can you remove the denoid valve with no issues? | ||
| Froggy |
Improves it. I religiously monitor my fuel economy and I got a noticeable boost. Easier cold starting, more responsive, it is better in every single way imaginable. Quite frankly, it is what the bike would of had stock if there was no emissions test to pass.
The solenoid functions are not active, it doesn't even check for it on startup so you can remove it and never get a check engine light. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Is the ECM difficult to install? About how long does it take to install? | ||
| Marcodesade |
Extraordinarily simple. 10 minutes. Remove the left-side pod cover, 2 bolts to remove the old ECM, and pinch and remove the two connectors. Reverse the procedure to install the new one. | ||
| Marcodesade |
I should say though that not everyone experiences the increased fuel mileage Froggy speaks of. I actually get about 10% LESS mileage --- down to about 37 mpg from about 42. No way I'd switch it back though . . . | ||
| Zac4mac |
I have a very early ECM for an R with open intake/exhaust. Almost as good on the bottom end as one I modified over several months with software from Ohio. I can idle in 1st and 2nd even with a gentle incline, 12 mph in 1st on the flat. The mid and top-end tho were so much better than mine, I put the one I modded on the shelf for good. Erik and crew designed the bike and have the best running algorithms IMO. Z | ||
| Timebandit |
I'm missing out on something. If the OEM map on the bike caused it to run rough because the mix was too lean, and If the aftermarket maps on the bike cause it to run better as the result of fuel enrichment, then How could you possibly get better fuel mileage while the bike is using more fuel? I haven't tried the EBR ECM yet, but every other vehicle that I've re-chipped gets lower gas mileage after the upgrade. Seems to be that the really lean maps are optimized for EPA compliance, not performance, and that when you optimize for performance, EPA compliance and fuel economy go right out the window. | ||
| Froggy |
It burns it more efficiently. Every Buell that I have put proper tune on has had a boost in fuel economy, I've even managed 75mpg on a tank on my XB12 once. Also, most of the same things that make a vehicle faster or make more power are the same things that make you get better fuel economy. (Message edited by Froggy on January 08, 2012) | ||
| Ridegreen2oo |
From my understanding, which is all opinion and no facts... When the engine running lean, the engine is working harder to create the power you need. When you optimize the air/fuel ratio, the engine runs more efficient and creates the power you need easier. Therefore less throttle input is needed. And I don't know if the EBR ECM effects timing, but by adding more fuel it might allow the engine’s timing to be advanced/retarded a few degrees to again make the engine more efficient and work less. I think a problem with people losing MPGs is the fact that they are having more fun with the new found power and being more aggressive with the throttle. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Fuel use is based on power if you need to run higher rpm to get said power your in a lower gear. More power @ lower rpm = lower fuel burn its why we use gears to match the load to engine power. The problem is what % of fuel increase gains power to the point you can use lower rpms to move the load. A 10% increase in fuel @ 2500 rpm should be at a high mpg than a lower gear at the old fuel burn but at 3500 rpm Calculate the pounds of standard air at the differing rpms and then the fuel require to mainatain the steady state and accleration AF values you will be suprised. The boat guys figured that out when they found out the 350SBC was more fuel efficent than the little inline 6s and inline 4s in same model boats | ||
| Steeleagle |
I think the root of confusion on the topic of MPG for the OEM VS EBR tunes is identifying exactly what the EPA requirement is that the OEM tune needed to address? If it was fuel economy...well, you can see why there's confusion. If it's noise, then the effect of tuning could impact noise and MPG differently. If it's emissions, one could assume that leaner and better MPG would go hand in hand. I have the EBR tune and personally found that at lower RPM it's very similar to the last OEM burn: extremely smooth compared to the initial OEM flash. Elsewhere the EBR tune rips. | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
And forgive me if I am wrong but Froggy rides his bike in a very conservative fashion. His intent is to achieve maximum fuel conservation. Where, most others (like myself) ride a bit more aggressively. So, Froggy will experience great MPG (as he has proclaimed on many occasion) while I will only get approximately 32 to 35 MPG due to the way I ride my R with the E.B.R ecm. | ||
| Timebandit |
Dad, I can't relate to Froggy's fuel mileage, but even your fuel mileage doesn't make sense to me. i have the M3HUS142 map on my 2009 1125R, and I've never been able to get 32 mpg out of a tank of premium fuel. Not even once. Can the stock map really be that bad??? Or is it just my riding style??? It's hard for me to imagine that the OEM map could be that bad, or that the fuel consumption can be explained by me riding that much harder than everyone else. But then it's equally hard for me to imagine that anyone would ever want to use this bike for commuting or for anything less than all-out balls-to-the-wall hypersport riding. I go through a full tank of fuel in just over a couple of hours riding the back roads. I've never seen 32 mpg. Not once. | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
Wow! I don't know how you burn through fuel so quickly. The ecm did help a little but my riding has become a bit more aggressive since I installed all of the extras. The overall performance value gained from the ecm was well worth the money for me. It truly is night and day. What kind of mileage are you getting now? | ||
| Bueller_bjorn |
I love my EBR Ecm, I have a very early one from EBR and boy what a difference, I did have to get used to the decrease in engine braking but once I did I liked it more without. The smoothness and performance was such an improvement I could never go back, this should be everyone's first mod for this bike. As for MPG I saw an increase when I switched to EBR tune. I went from 28-32 on stock tune to 30-36 mpg on EBR tune. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Pretty simple guys, I also have an early EBR ECM, K&N and aftermarket pipe and when you ride conservatively you can get great mileage and aggressively bad mileage. Its just more efficient fueling. There are times in the canyons here my son and I dice it up and I can hardly make 120 miles on a tank and when we go on a long ride on the super slab in higher gears and lower speeds (70 or so) I can go well above 150 miles. If you can watch the "instant readout" on MPG on the instrument cluster and watch it go from 55-60 to 10 when you grab a handfull; amazing! Crusing I usually see 45-50 and when "having fun" I'm just too busy to look. HA! | ||
| Hailwood |
I have also fitted an EBR ECM together with a Barker exhaust. As stated by almost everyone, the difference is unbelievable....I love my 09 1125r even more if that's possible. As to fuel consumption and mpg difference...I don't give a rats arse about it. My 1125r is for riding and enjoying, not worrying about getting 1 or 5 miles more or less per gallon than I got before. The day I worry about this is the day I buy a Gold Wing. Just enjoy your bike and ride it. My 2c worth anyway | ||
| Dennis_c |
Froggy he must run 100psi in tires down hill with a tail wind ha ha  | ||
| Timebandit |
Bob_thompson, if you're saying that it's normal for you to run a full tank dry in 120 miles when you're dicing it up, then my question is answered. That's been exactly my experience; 2 hours of fun riding, using a lot of throttle and brake, and I've gone 120 miles and I've got an empty tank. Like you, there's no way I can look at the cluster while I'm riding. I can't even use the tach... I just have to rely on the feel of the buzzing in the bars. As far as fuel consumption goes, I doubt that many of us are pinching pennies and worrying about fuel costs. But since I don't have the option of in-flight refuelling, I do have to pay attention to how far away from civilization I can go on a tank of fuel. Knowing that keeps me from getting stranded in the middle of nowhere. thanks, guys. | ||
| Nattyx1 |
Here's my experience: stock: Eh. ok, but... just ... eh compared to Duc or Aprilia. Too much sputter. wheeze. chuffle chuffle...deadspot in midrange, ugh. hate that. gotta fix it... what to do? Enter EBR. With ebr ecm and FMF pipe: Braaaaap!! Wheelie, Braaaap, wheelie, OMG that corner came up FAST... need more brakes all of a sudden... yeeeHAH!... torque from the bottom..BANG BANG BANG! hp buttkick from 8k to rev limiter, strong, linear, powerful like a freakin f18. | ||
| Foxy_1 |
Im running a gpr exhaust on mine and the bike runs fine....i've wanted the ebr ecm for some time now but note there is no map for my exhaust,does this matter?or would the ecm adapt like the standard one did? Thanks for your help | ||
| D_adams |
Just from looking at that pipe, I'd guess go with the jardine or fmf mapped ecm. The standard race cal will probably run a bit rich. | ||
| Foxy_1 |
D_adams-thanks for your advice with this | ||
| D_adams |
That's probably not the proper way to go about it, just my opinion based on what the pipe design looks like. Personally, I'd really recommend tuning it with tuner pro if EBR doesn't have a tune for it. That's the only way to get good results. I can't tell from the pics I've seen of it, but it appears to have a 2" pipe after the merge. If so, then the jardine or fmf will probably work well enough, but not be "right" like it should be. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Well Froggy your mileage doesn't get full weight due to your hypermiling. As mentioned though if the bike is fueled correctly then it'll take less throttle angle to do the same work which means more mpg in most situations. Same theory is true for the diesels that you hear about in the pickup trucks after tuning are capable of what seems like impossible mpg. | ||
| Dirty_john |
Like others I noticed an improvement in MPG after fitting the an early EBR race ECM, as noted in other mosts this be due to higher engine efficiency with a fuel/air ratio better suited to the engine's needs. However fuel economy was the last item on the agenda, the bike now runs as it should do and although the 1125R/CR should not and cannot by "lugged" around like my old XB12R the low rpm operation is much improved - long live EBR |
