| Author | Message | ||
     Crowley |
........is now on the market and ready for sale. If you can't see it on their site, then check out the thread on UKBEG. I've had a pre production one to test on my bike, and it has some clever features to solve the problems the Rotax unit had. I've got a Oberon unit on my 1198 Ducati, and the quality of their units is superb. | ||
| Stirz007 |
http://www.oberon-performance.co.uk/ No listing for Buell clutch slave cylinders. Should I be looking somewhere else? (link?) | ||
| Crowley |
I can't find it on their site yet either. Try looking at on UKBEG.COM,there's a link to it in the Forum. | ||
| Sportster_mann |
http://ducati-products.com/acatalog/Buell_Clutch_S lave_Cylinders.html No affiliation,yadda, yadda, yadda ... | ||
| Avalaugh |
Mine was replaced under warrenty early 2010 and is still ok, however the fluid has been changed out twice, and both times was very very grey. Im guessing its contamination from the failing cylinder again ? I for one will definately be getting one as soon as i notice the slightest leak again. | ||
| Jdugger |
$250. Yikes. | ||
| Ogobracing |
Curious how it stacks up against the EBR product. | ||
| Jdugger |
> the fluid has been changed out twice, and both times was very very grey. IME, hydraulic clutch fluid turns black more or less instantly. I've had the stuff discolor in a single digit number of hours. Just change it 2-3 times a year and don't worry too much about it. The clutch isn't "critical" in the same sense as a brake, and compromised fluid won't impact operation that much. | ||
| Stirz007 |
"Curious how it stacks up against the EBR product." At roughly $250 US, I doubt it's 2.5 times better than the one EBR is offering..... | ||
| Jgarner99 |
Trouble with super-special replacement parts that come from another country is, when you do eventually need to change those super-special, one-of-a-kind seals, are they even going to be available any more? Don't ask me how I know this.... Go with the EB aahR unit. | ||
| Trojan |
Trouble with super-special replacement parts that come from another country is, when you do eventually need to change those super-special, one-of-a-kind seals, are they even going to be available any more? Yes. Oberon have been making quality aftermarket parts for bikes for years and are very reliable. Given their record and quality of the exisiting Ducati/KTM/Aprilia cylinders that they have been making I am pretty sure they will be worth the money and I KNOW they will have been extensively tested prior to launch. They also have a very clear warranty: Manufacturer's Warranty: Oberon Performance's slave cylinder comes with a lifetime (return to base) warranty as standard - including parts and labour. Units older than 12 months from date of purchase can be returned for a repair/replacement provided a member of Oberon Performance has been contacted prior to shipping, so your details can be logged correctly and supplied with a returns number. Also, I don't know who worked the price out but it is actually around US$158. (GBP124.99 less tax at 20% x 1.52) which is a pretty decent price for such a well developed and well made peice of kit methinks  Its a bit like buying a bike from another country that is no longer available People will still provide parts. P.S. It will of course be available form us too at www.trojan-horse.co.uk (Message edited by trojan on January 18, 2012) | ||
| Sportster_mann |
Now you know how we feel over in the UK ... And £125 is closer to $200 - and I know you have to factor in carriage and taxes etc, but so do we when ordering from EBR ... | ||
| Jdugger |
By the time you pay import duty, shipping, exchange rate fees and so on, that piece will be very close to 250. If the vendor can subtract the vat before that's better, but often when I have ordered from overseas I have to pay the vat then apply for a refund. I just bought two bottles of hibiki 17 from the Uk as I couldn't find it here... shipping and duty were a whopping 60$ alone... | ||
| Trojan |
You shouldn't have to pay ANY vat if you are not in the UK/EU. Any decent retailer should have known that and removed the tax from the price prior to shipping. Our web site only adds tax to those addresses that have to pay it, so the price you see is the tax free price. Shipping costs are very much dictated by shipping companies and dependant on weight/size of parcel, so can be expensive for large or heavy items or fluids. However, shipping for this particular item, even by Fedex, would be only around GBP15 (US$23 approx) and that is for express/priority service. In other words the total cost of this item including shipping to the US by Fedex should only be around US$180 at current rates. We ship to the US all the time and most states don't have any import duty, although Canada does unfortunately. If we import parts from the US we have to pay shipping, import duty and then 20% tax on everything, so believe me it is much cheaper going the other way across the pond | ||
| Avc8130 |
I don't get why everyone is jumping all over these guys. Just a few months ago 1125 owners were complaining of leaking clutch slave cylinders with no apparent, permanent 100% solution from HD. An aftermarket company has stepped up and developed what they believe to be a great solution. Isn't this what we want/NEED as owners of abandoned bikes? Who knows if this solution is worse...or God forbid...BETTER than the EBR? NO ONE. I highly doubt anyone has performed long term evaluation on a large sample of each product DIRECTLY AGAINST the other. EBR has some luxury when it comes to pricing. They get to spread the development and tooling costs across their production line. Oberon does not. Neither price surprises me. Both seem very reasonable for a low-quantity part designed to fit an obsolete bike that there are <9k possible customers for. Don't look the gift horse in the mouth... | ||
| Jdugger |
not jumping on them at all... its just an expensive solution for USA customers. | ||
| Timebandit |
Now that we have an obsolete bike, I think that expensive solutions are going to become the rule rather than the exception. Simple economics are working against the 1125. We had better get used to that. We're at a point where the factory is gone, the parent has abandoned us, and only a few small boutique operations might even be willing to help us. All that we can hope for is that someone in the aftermarket will care enough to design a high quality part for an obsolete bike that will only sell to a very small population, and that they will be able to make a profit and stay in business doing it. There is no economy of scale to help us, so we'd better get used to pricey solutions. The way I look at it, my sunk cost for the bike was low. Now I've reached the point that some expensive things need to be replaced. Instead of looking at these things as maintenance expenses, I look at them as delayed costs related to the purchase. It seems less painful that way. | ||
| Ljm |
The Oberon unit is less than the OEM part, and look down below that though. Clutch cover cap for 45 pounds, about half the cost for the harley unit. | ||
| Crowley |
Jgarner, you're absolutely correct of course, that's exactly how us Brits feel. Must rush, I'm off to put my Italian and Japanese bikes on Ebay just in case I can't get any more spares for them  | ||
| Jgarner99 |
Okay, okay, I take it all back.... Let's just say I had a bad experience once with trying to get seals for an aftermarket slave cylinder of Italian origin. But that was almost 20 years ago -- long before internet searches made tracking down parts so much easier, and before the world motorcycle market was so intertwined and interdependent. No offense meant, either to Oberon or our Buell-riding brethren in the U.K. | ||
| Crowley |
Only messin' mate, no offence taken by us lot in Blighty To be fair, if I lived in the USA, then I'd probably buy locally too. I am just very excited about getting my 1125 back on the road. The more miles I get on it, the more I enjoy it - in fact, it makes me smile more than my Ducati 1198  (although the biggest grin ever is prompted by my X1 - 'Last of the Real Bikes'.) | ||
| Avalaugh |
This is what I do to avoid taxes. My sister-in-law lived stateside so I got any parts shipped to her. She would repackage them removing any receipts etc. Then ship to me in the UK but only valuing the item at $18 therefore I pay no VAT in the UK. Yes it's a gamble the parts may go missing, but so far this has never happened. So if anyone stateside would like me to do this for you send me a PM. Obviously on new parts you would have to pay the VAT so may not be much of a saving, but on used parts it can save quite a few $ (Message edited by avalaugh on January 19, 2012) | ||
| Imonabuss |
Oh yes, EBR spread that development cost across the mass production of 100 units. Shame on those greedy big manufacturers... | ||
| Avc8130 |
Right, because I am sure they only plan to make 100 bikes based around this powerplant...EVER. I'm not sure how confident Oberon is in the demand for this product, but I would be surprised if they manufactured more than 100 of these. (Message edited by avc8130 on January 19, 2012) | ||
| Timebandit |
Right, because I am sure they only plan to make 100 bikes based around this powerplant...EVER. What he plans to do and what he's actually capable of doing are two different things entirely. Even if he plans to deploy the technology across 10,000 bikes, there's no guarantee that will ever happen. First he has to sell 100 bikes at $40,000 each. Remember, he is a startup company, and this is a bad economy. He could go under and the technology could be lost forever. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buy what you need while you can get it. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Oh? He HAS to sell 100 bikes at $40k? What if the man pops out a $12k bike before #87 is sold? For all we know the development was done by Rotax but HD never got around to implementing it. There is a lot we don't know. What we do know, is that the EBR solution is $100 and the Oberon is more. There is NO conclusive evidence that one is better than the other or better than stock. | ||
| Jgarner99 |
Tinmebandit - I hope you're wrong about the company, and concept, going under... But you're sure as hell right about the economy, the end of whose woes do not yet appear in sight.... Avc - You're right too, there is an WHOLE lot we don't know and might never know. But your cynicism regarding the new slave cylinder options seems a bit overwrought. I doubt that either company (Oberon or EBR) would have bothered to develop and market a product that wasn't an improvement on the original. | ||
| Avc8130 |
J, My point was not to say the parts weren't an improvement. My point was more to say that those instantly criticizing the Oberon and praising the EBR have absolutely NO evidence to support either claim. The only evidence this forum has is with the 2 or 3 revisions from the old mother ship. | ||
| Stirz007 |
I don't get why everyone is jumping all over these guys.} I really wasn't - I'm sure it's a good product. Just a bit spendy compared to what I can get on this side of the pond. | ||
| Timebandit |
I don't get why everyone is jumping all over these guys. Could it be that the weather in some parts of the world is so darned cold that we can't ride, so we hang out at BadWeB and argue about silly stuff just to pass the time? Today it's 3*F where I live. That sucks. The good news is that I got my carbon protector bits from EBR today. |
