| Author | Message | ||
     D_adams |
I don't know any of these guys, just saw it in a news story. 2 minutes into it if it starts at the beginning. http://www.fox2now.com/news/kplr-viral-pov-motorcy cle-truck-accident-st-louis-121511,0,7688524.story | ||
| Albert666 |
how would that stand up in court? on one hand you have video evidence of the truck driver not stopping, but you also have your buddy riding like a dick? | ||
| Froggy |
While his buddy was being a douche, the video doesn't indicate the rider that was hit did anything wrong. I don't see the issue, he isn't responsible for the behavior of the other rider. | ||
| Imonabuss |
F'ng truck went right through a red light even though he just had a bike go in front of him as a reminder. Scary for sure. I hope that truck driver loses license for a long time. Something like forever would be appropriate... | ||
| Froggy |
I agree 100%. | ||
| Sprintst |
The buddies actions are irrelevant at least the driver stopped, that seems rare today (Message edited by sprintst on December 23, 2011) | ||
| D_adams |
Both were riding wheelies, the buddy and the guy with the cam. He was just unfortunate in that he got hit. No wheelie at the time he got hit, but he was doing some earlier. Downtown STL sucks. | ||
| Brumbear |
He even admited he ran the light and seemed genuinely concerned. Accidents happen and they suck that was an accident. The guy riding like a douche may have drawn the pickups attention and inadvertently caused the accident anyway doesn't excuse it may explain it. I am glad everyone seemed to fare semi OK. The rider hit will hopefully be compensated  | ||
| Timebandit |
what froggy said. if this thing went to trial, lawyers would be arguing over which portion of the video should be redacted (blanked) so that it is not shown to the jury. like froggy said, the fact that one rider was acting like a fool has nothing to do with the other rider, and could serve to unfairly prejudice a jury that doesn't know that they should ignore the other rider's behavior. similarly, it doesn't matter if the rider himself violated a traffic law at some other time on the video; as long as he obeyed the traffic laws at the time of the accident, he is OK as far as liability for the accident is concerned. there is always that little problem though, where someone goes out misbehaving and creates video evidence to show to their buddies. that kind of video can and will be used against you. just like dumb kids who video themselves vandalizing a house, that video could be used to issue traffic citations for laws that were violated. moral of the story: video on your bike could be good or bad. don't go violating traffic laws with a camera on your bike to record the event. that would be a really bad idea. | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
the rider doesnt need the video to prove he got hit by a driver running a red light there is plenty of eye witnesses to confirm his actions and verbaly telling people he ran the red light. | ||
| Blake |
Neither rider was doing anything improper when they came to the intersection. I can't believe people are even mentioning the fact that one was doing a wheelie at some point. Truck dude was probably texting. | ||
| Timebandit |
> "the rider doesnt need the video to prove he got hit by a driver running a red light there is plenty of eye witnesses to confirm his actions and verbaly telling people he ran the red light." the problem is that witnesses recollection of the accidents tend to change with time, while a video stays the same. i testified in court once about a traffic accident where someone blew through a stoplight. i was right behind someone at an intersection. our light was red. he did a right turn on red into the path of an oncoming car that was really moving fast, and he got hit. of course, he blamed the other driver. he sued them. yeah, there were plenty of people who saw the accident, but their memories faded and their stories changed by the time things went to trial several years later. i was right behind the guy, watching our red light, waiting for it to turn green. he made a right turn on red into the path of a car that was oncoming from his left. he swore that our light was green, and he got witnesses to back him up. but that's not the way i saw it. there was NO WAY that our light was green. i made it clear that i was stopped for the light that was still red when he pulled out into the other guy's right of way, and that no other witness could be telling the truth if they said otherwise. the problem is that several witnesses can all watch the same event take place, and they'll all have different opinions about what they saw. years later, it's always better to have a video that can't change it's story. (Message edited by timebandit on December 23, 2011) | ||
| Brumbear |
On third look you are right about that Blake the guy doing wheelies is doing zip in the intersection and the truck just keeps coming. Still an accident however as far as I am concerned it still sucks too. Yes cagers should be more attentive but we all know the answer to that one. | ||
| Froggy |
Witnesses aren't even always right. There is a thread in the Uly section, someone was rearended at an intersection (hit and run), and two witnesses told the cops that it was a single vehicle accident. | ||
| Timebandit |
> Neither rider was doing anything improper when they came to the intersection. I can't believe people are even mentioning the fact that one was doing a wheelie at some point. You're right. but I can believe it. Eyewitnesses may not remember accurately that the guy doing the wheelie put it down before he got to the intersection. What they're probably going to remember is that he was doing a wheelie, and that he was breaking the law. An eyewitness might even falsely "remember" that he was still doing the wheelie in the intersection. Eyewitness accounts are so unreliable it's really sad. In this case, having the video is a GOOD thing for the guy who got hit. I'd never trust eyewitnesses to give an accurate recollection of the events. OTOH, if those guys had their accident in my state, the cops would impound the camera and issue a ticket based on the video. The point value for a stand-up wheelie (aka "exhibition driving") is enough to instantly lose your license for 2 years. > Truck dude was probably texting. LMAO. you're probably right! | ||
| Clk92vette |
As far as the accident is concerned the truck clearly blew the red light and is at fault regardless of any of the other b.s. I don't know what it is going to take to get the texting issue under control. Of course we are just guessing, but regardless it is a serious issue. Like most things it will probably take a senator's daughter getting killed or paralyzed before the legislature gets serous enough to make a difference. I have a business acquaintance who recently lost a seventeen year old daughter in a one vehicle accident. She was driving on a straight country road in broad daylight, hit a tree head on, and was killed instantly. Just last week one of my wife's friends was rear ended while at a dead stop trying to turn into a parking lot. Again it was broad daylight, straight road, good weather. The forty year old women who hit her never even hit her brakes. I constantly see morons weaving on the highway. It needs to be stopped. Maybe we should start Motorcyclists Against Texting, if only we could find someone named Mat who has been injured as a result of texting to be our mascot...I am only half joking. Piloting a two ton deadly weapon is taken way too casually in this country. The guy driving the truck should loose his license for a minimum of six months and be flogged for texting if it can be substantiated. This country could really benefit from a reinstatement of corporal punishment. | ||
| Zenbiker |
I have rode with people like the guy stunting on city streets and have tried to limit my exposure to them moving forward. One thing that I find interesting is to listen to the last couple of seconds of audio. The guy in the ranger claims he had the green and then all of a sudden it turned red and he did not have time to stop. Then compare the video at the time of impact. What a lying P.O.S. |
