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Zecca
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 06:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the bike boiled and leaked coolant in the exhaust and rear wheel

subframe, front fairing support and a big cavity on frame were the worst damage

I'm ok...



I recently saw a video of this guy repairing a white frame of a 1125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1hzZe222c&feature =related

anyone have this video?
later put pictures of the bike!
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Zecca
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 06:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vi03odWje0&feature =plcp&context=C39a4d6fUDOEgsToPDskINYsjLk8qNwJxT42 Z6XpHU
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Jdugger
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rob is a member here, so he can probably comment.

I don't love the idea of repairing really significant damage to the tank/frame of these bikes, to be honest.

But Rob's done it... so let's get his feedback.
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D_adams
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As I recall, he said it started leaking when he tried JB Weld or whatever it was he used. If you're going to repair it, do it right with a welder after it has been properly drained, cleaned and prepped. Personally, I'd probably just replace the tank though.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the frame leaking?
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Jdugger
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

D,

I think the tank is lined, too. So, if you weld on it, you melt the liner.

Repairing the frame on these bikes just isn't easy.
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D_adams
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't recall feeling anything like a liner in the traditional sense, although I could be wrong.

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No_rice
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the frames are also aluminum. do they really need that liner?

if the frame is leaking, yes thats alot bigger repair and id weld it. if its not, its no biggie and can be done in a matter of hours.

ive seen people use bondo. i dont like that idea. big chunks of bondo fall out on body panels why wouldnt they on a frame strapped to a v-twin.

i have used metal epoxy to fix the normal dents people get on the edge of the frame where the puck would go.

sand the dent clean of paint/powder coat, make sure its good and rough. mix up the epoxy and work it into the dent and form as needed, leaving excess so you have room to come back when its hardened and sand it to match the original shape. let cure and paint.
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Jdugger
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Liner: I'd just heard internet wisdom, mostly from here, I think.

I'll see if I can find the references.

You could well be right.
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

suggestions:
1) if you have a crack - drill a small hole(s) at the end of the crack(s) to stop it from growing further (even after you fix it)
2) if you can find an experienced welder (TIG) in the aerospace industry ( Brazil has Embraer) they may be your best bet...)

3) cannot find a welder? look for an industrial epoxy (Devcon)for aluminum

http://www.devcon.com/products/products.cfm?brand= Devcon&family=Aluminum%20Putty%20%28F%29

4) after repair ( remove all pumps/sensors) seal the tank with a sealer ...i like this stuff..it has a prep solvent and a sealer chemical ....never tried it on aluminum - you may want to call them...
(POR-15)

http://advanced-rust-protection.hostasaurus.com/in dex.html

good luck
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Zecca
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No... the frame is not leaking...

in Brazil? replace??

here in Brazil there are around 20 1125...
I would have to wait 3 months to get the part..

the price at the dealership was only U$ 2,500

hehehe
Brazil the country of monkeys!
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No_rice
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

can you post a pic of the damage?

No... the frame is not leaking...

without seeing that pic, i still say fill it, sand it and go.
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46champ
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2011 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it is a crack the best thing I could recommend is Tank sealant Go to an aircraft shop that works on most any corporate jets and find out where they get a sealant that meets spec AMS-S-8802B. Holding in fuels in aluminum structures is what it is for.
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Zecca
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/22122011m .jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/221220110 01.jpg/

the leak that makes me fall
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/221220110 02.jpg/
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Finedaddy1
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is no liner in the tank, the one I repaired anyway.
This can also be powder coated over, if no deeper than about 1/8 of an inch.






Like new again!


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Zecca
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

greeeeat work!

I'm thinking to changing the color of my 2008 frame!

grey or black? white? urban camouflage?
http://blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads /2010/camo-patterns/urban-tee.jpg
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Juniorkirk
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

urban cami would look cool, but i would go with a digi print instead of the analog
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Zecca
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://unheardlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ RealClothDigitalCamo.jpg

?
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Kinder
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Finedaddy... What did you use for paint?
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Finedaddy1
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's powder, from the manufacture that supplied Buell.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=2162472#POST2162472
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Trojan
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 05:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just cover the frame with carbon fibre protectors like these.... http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/310.html

Easier than repairing and cheaper than a new frame. Will also protect the frame from future 'accidents'.



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Finedaddy1
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Trojan - I like these as well and thought about doing this myself, are they offered in fiberglass?
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