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Hughlysses
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 11:27 am: |
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I was just reading the spec sheet on the new Tiger- 950 watts (!!!) output. Here's what the brochure says about it:
quote:ELECTRICAL ACCESSORIES CAPABILITY Tiger Explorer’s best-in-class 950w generator facilitates simultaneous operation of multiple electrical accessories. The generator works by using fixed coils charged by six rotating powered coils (not magnets as is usual on motorcycles) which are geared off the clutch. This allows more power to be produced at lower revs and to suit the consumption of the Tiger Explorer and its accessories. It also avoids the need to overproduce power and to dissipate excess heat. The result is less energy wastage, better economy and less ‘performance drag’ on the engine.
It sure sounds like they've been keeping an eye on electrical issues with other motorcycle brands and making damn sure they avoid them. |
Reepicheep
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:30 pm: |
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Or looking at any car made since about 1960. |
Hughlysses
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:57 pm: |
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Yep, this is nothing new. I know Gold Wings and at least some BMW boxers use completely external, belt-driven alternators (as does the new Motus). Are permanent magnet, enclosed alternators otherwise universal on motorcycles? I'll be interested to see the physical arrangement of the Triumph alternator. |
Reepicheep
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:19 pm: |
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Nope, I think the late 80's yamaha radians used true alternators. The only reason for permanent magnet systems is that there are no brushes to wear out, and fewer coils. So it's probably a case where if you can live with limited power output (like a motorcycle), they are a little more simple and a little more durable. |
Hughlysses
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:30 pm: |
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The only reason for permanent magnet systems is that there are no brushes to wear out Even if you didn't care about the wear, I'd think you couldn't run brushes in an oil bath either, which would preclude mounting inside the engine or primary. |
Blk09r
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:43 pm: |
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My 79 Honda CBX used an external alternator mounted behind the cylinders. Brushes lasted around 40000 miles and were easy to replace. The only issue these had was with the clutch that was between the engine and the alternator. It could get a little noisy. |
Pragmatic
| Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 06:56 pm: |
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Even if you didn't care about the wear, I'd think you couldn't run brushes in an oil bath either, which would preclude mounting inside the engine or primary. Transit buses all over the US use oil bath alternators with brushes |
Dannybuell
| Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 06:49 pm: |
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honda st1100 and 1300s use external alternators too. |
Benzo_mike
| Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:41 am: |
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All air/oil gixxers, Bandits, GSX1100G,... Little automotive Nippondenso alternator behind the block. |
Timebandit
| Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 01:01 pm: |
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BMW boxers have been using external alternators for ages. They're mounted on the front of the engine (right behind the engine cover) and are driven by the crankshaft. They are the same Bosch units that are used on some VW cars. My 94 oilhead (still have it 17 years later!) has a 750W alternator. I've never had a problem with it. Just for reference 746W = 1 hp. |