| Author | Message | ||
     Zac4mac |
Prefacing spoiler post so as to hide the spoiler info from appearing in new message search results...  Spoiler info follows: Goeff took 10th. Congrats to Erik Buell Racing! (Message edited by Blake on July 25, 2011) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
So far the difference between the 1125rr and the 1190rs is what, 1 position at best? I don't buy it. I wanna see someone else turn some laps on it in testing. | ||
| J_copeland |
I vote for Eslick !!! Just saying !! | ||
| Zac4mac |
The 1125 is almost 4 years old. The 1190 is only a few months old, give it a chance. Stay tuned | ||
| 98s1lightning |
I must admit, I too feel that Danny might do a bit better. Once your in a comfort zone its easy to settle in. The 1125RR did have a 6th or 7th though. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
I posted in the racing section about this - did they change something before the race? How do they do the warm up session this morning and run 6th fastest and then they start the race and instantly drop back two spots (started 9 IIRC, saw them at 11th on lap 2) and then only make up one spot? Yes, it is new, but it obviously was able to run better than it did in the race today Just bums me out that they can do so much better in Practice, Q, and WarmUp and get the fans hopes up, thinking that this might be that top five they've been shooting for the past couple years, and then they drop back and run the same as they did last weekend and the same as they did on the RR | ||
| Court |
Geoff is doing a phenomenal job. This is the bikes 2nd outing and 2nd Top 10 finish. That is nothing short of amazing. The 1125R, and Danny Eslick, had tons and tons of track time and testing during development. Quite the opposite for the 1190RS . . you are basically watching the testing. The key now is metered progress, gathering data and continually advancing the bike. Erik Buell Racing is in a somewhat unique position as to how hard they push. A crash for KTM or a DNF for Suzuki attracts little concern. As we saw at Road America, when the Erik Buell Racing team reached just a tad more aggressively, an 1190RS that fails to finish sets off an entire chorus of the "I told you so" singers. Erik Buell Racing is building a business, a motorcycle business that will cover a broad range. The benefits of racing are measurable and the most effective benefits accrue from playing smart. I'm in that camp that is amazed to see that the 1190RS even exists. Most folks can't get their head around the fact that this has been done by a REALLY small group on a REALLY small budget in a REALLY small time. For comparison read the account of the Motus that's been in development for 4 years and is still a ways from production and the amount of outside engineering support it's taken just to get something rolling. That will provide perspective. At the same time . . I'm a rabid Buell guy who's looking at the potential of this bike and, when I saw the 6th in qualifying . . was entertaining secret hopes of an amazing finish. But. . that's what drives us. I'm already feeling my palms beginning to sweat about New Jersey! . . . I can't wait! I suspect there will be no shortage of talented young riders eager for a chance to ride an 1190RS. There are a couple well known names who are quite aware that the fist one to put the 1190RS on the podium earns themselves a special spot in one of racing's great "David and Goliath" tales. | ||
| Mickeyq |
I don't think any other manufacturer in existence today was able to put a bike into top ten anywhere in the same period of time as this effort. I look at Honda, Suzuki, Ducati--all of them--and it has been years of effort, R&D and trial and error. What Erik Buell Racing has accomplished so far is historic by any measure!  | ||
| 98s1lightning |
I agree Court, it is a business. While business it just that, racing is just that also and as a former racer/rider I cant ever remember that I should take it easy for development or pocket book. Run what you brung and ride like you stole it. Now, I think a deal could be made with an unsigned rookie and Erik Buell Racing could run two bikes. | ||
| Bigevildoer |
Wonder what would happen if Harald from the Pegasus team would take his ride out for an AMA race... He's been riding and winning consistently in Europe -- not to take anything from Geoff May (he's still a fantastic rider!) (Message edited by bigevildoer on July 24, 2011) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Hybrid, the difference is the fast guys pick up the pace from warm up to race pace. Tommy Hayden, for example. Warm up-- 2. Tommy Hayden (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:25.283 Race-- Pos#NameDiffGapBestLaps 122Tommy Hayden--.-----.---1:24.71123 Geoff's best lap in the race was 0.100 second slower than his best warm up lap. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Wonder what would happen if Harald from the Pegasus team would take his ride out for an AMA race" I can tell you what'd happen if harold brought his bike, 1190RR, over to the race - he wouldnt make it past tech and he would get to watch the race from the sidelines. Bad - yeah, I noticed how some of them picked up the pace in the race....but still 6 to 10 is pretty big fall backwards | ||
| Mickeyq |
Geoff needs more race time with this bike, my opinion. Look at Rossi, going from the Yam to the Duc he has not just jumped on it and won another championship--yet. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Some? Every one that finished ahead of Geoff picked up, some more than others.    | ||
| 46champ |
I was disappointed also in not seeing a top 5. After thinking about it they are doing fine. How many years has it taken Michael Jordan racing to get to the place they are today, and their not winning yet. Look at it this way they are finishing the races the last thing Erik Buell Racing needs is another XBRR fiasco. Erik Buell Racing gets hardly a mention in stupid bike planet that is good if the bike ever fails to finish except for a wreck there will be a picture. This is what the second race. If they went to a track day or had private time on a track or ran it in a club race we would know about it. Has anyone heard different? By all rights they probably shoudn't be out there yet because of the lack of development time. It is better that we are bitching about finishing 10th than making excuses about not finishing. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I thought 10th was amazing for his second race. I talked to him before the race he told me they had no intention of pushing it, they are just trying to get the set up down. The fact they got this bike off the ground so fast is amazing. We're talking a handful of people not thousands like repsol ect.. I doubt they will try to push it at all this year. Why would they? they can't win and in the paddock guess who was getting all the attention and photos? Erik Buell Racing.. and btw anybody else running a basicaly stock bike? | ||
| Americanmadexb |
How many years has it taken Michael Jordan racing to get to the place they are today, and their not winning yet. Zemke won both Daytona races last year if i remember right. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
Actually, I'm kinda surprised the more i look into it. Micheal Jordan Motorsports has more success then we probably realize. http://www.23race.com/history.html | ||
| 46champ |
Ok everyone Dana was wrong Michael Jordan Motorsports has done better than I thought. That in itself is a problem that means they arn't getting enough recognition I would hate to see them quite motorcycles and go race NASCAR.........waite DMG is NASCAR} | ||
| Fuzzz |
Geoff started from 9th, finished 10th, got some VALUABLE track information on the BRAND NEW Erik Buell Racing 1190RS. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Congrats to Erik, Geoff, and the rest of the Elves!! | ||
| Russmannnn |
It seems like a bunch of people on here want to talk about how little development has been done on the 1190. Buell can only blame themselves on that one. Months and months ago when the first 1190 teaser video came out they could of been testing at Road America every weekend the track is less that a half hour away. Then when they were able to start running in AMA they could of hit the ground running. It also was pretty stupid to just bolted the weight right on the 1190 at Mid Ohio with no prior testing. They should of known the rules and had the weight somewhere where it was practical rather than just throw it on the rear and hope for the best. I really wanted to see if the 1190 had any answer for the KTM, but to me a 10th place with the KTM and a BMW out was not that impressive. | ||
| Court |
>>>> they could of been testing at Road America every weekend the track is less that a half hour away. You, of course, are correct. Mindful that at this point this entire undertaking is being funded by one person would you be willing to perhaps put up the $20,000 per week to do that testing? It's a serious question. Geoff is begging for more practice time and everyone would be grateful. Presently choices are being made. Do you hire those engineers and staff to develop the AX or do you test? Unfortunately the bane of having to manage a company is that you have to manage ALL of it and play the long game. When you look at the costs of things like 30 employees (you can do the math for 30 engineers) and 2 or 3 plant expansions already . . it becomes scary and choices have to be made so as not to, financially, go like a Roman candle and run out of fuel before you actually have a company. You . . yes, you are . . . are 100% right. More testing and development would help. In fact, there are tracks even closer and a bit cheaper . . . and at this point it's only money. I'm personally thrilled to see what they are doing and . . just like the rest of you . . . . I'm itching and a scratching for that top 5, that podium and that win. . . . anyone who imagines that Geoff, Erik and others, as racers, aren't dreaming of that is delusional. More testing . . just like more time on tracks . . is essential. I'm not sure any of the big teams has rolled out a new bike and done any better than Erik Buell Racing. I'm really proud of them. | ||
| Jens |
I was very positive surprised that Geoff was getting so close to the leaders in Q1, also the small gap in topspeed really impresses me. The only problem is that at BWB the people wait for miracles, they donīt happen in racing as I wrote before.... Erik Buell Racing is regarding to "my schedule" ahead of plan. I am not involved to analyze what going good or bad in detail. For sure tracktime and money is what is needed now. Great work Erik Buell Racing | ||
| Court |
Jens: Well put. I can't think of a more authoritative opinion. Thanks for summing it up nicely. Court | ||
| Jdugger |
> Wonder what would happen if Harald from the Pegasus team would take his ride out for an AMA race... My read on it, worth what it cost you: Harald didn't face the caliber of competition Geoff faces in AMA Superbike. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Its called development We race karts its takes time to develop your setup your rider and have the data base for the chassis on different type tracks. Same Issue in High Power rifle develop the rifle shooter and the ammo Test Test etc. I ll bet the ECM on most of the other bikes cost more than Erik spent on building the 1190. Yamaha just had thier 50th aniversary in racing this past weekend. After seeing what Erik Buell Racing did at Laguna Seca thier development engineers are going OMG! thier world just changed! Racing as they know it has changed Erik Buell Racing BMW and KTM all are moving the Cheese. Racing is not going to be japanese lead parade much longer. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Thanks Jens. Geoff and Erik Buell Racing have been doing a fantastic job of putting in solid lap after solid lap. And those Laguna lap times pretty amazing... there were 9 bikes even more amazing, but the gap is narrowing. The Erik Buell Racing program isn't some kid swinging for the fences, it is a methodical and relentless "ratchet strap" approach. Each click is methodical and gets locked in for the next. It's got all the hallmarks of great engineering. | ||
| Honolulu_blue_esq |
"Mindful that at this point this entire undertaking is being funded by one person would you be willing to perhaps put up the $20,000 per week to do that testing? It's a serious question. Geoff is begging for more practice time and everyone would be grateful." Court - why don't we ask Blake to set up a donations function here so that folks can donate 10 or 20 bucks to Erik Buell Racing if they so desire? | ||
| Echo15 |
I'm fool enough to pony up a few bucks. | ||
| Jens |
Just have seen the comments about Harald, thanks for the complimentīs (-: Harald was one of he fastest privateers in german IDM (what is the AMA Pro level) ever, competing there with an Suzuki IL4, but he is over 6 feet tall and a real heavy guy and 51 years old. The competition we have today with the 1190RR in BEARS and SBKopen is not to compare with IDM and AMA. If we compare our todays laptimes to the IDM, we may be on a good day in the Top 10, often between 10 and 15. It would be interesting, if the 1190 would be homologated under IDM rule to give it a try, but a full season, that would require an extrabudget of app. 1 Million $, maybe Thomas donīt like that idea.... And if we had that budget it may take us a year to climb higher in the top ten and a 3 years masterplan to go for podiums. Looks like some people think Erik is a magician and the guyīs from the other teams are just Dummys. Unfortunately they are not... For sure Erik Buell Racing have with Geoff an excellent package together and have not at all a rider problem. Erik Buell Racing need money for (race)development and track testing. Give them time, their main problem today is only that they can not fullfill the dreams of the fans so quick... Erik Buell Racing fans keep on with your great support! (Message edited by Jens on July 25, 2011) |
