| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
I believe the snag with the shifter occurred earlier and was quickly resolved during a red flag . . I also, watching live timing, seemed to be seeing Geoff add a couple seconds a lap gap between him and the KTM. But after about 2 laps of this . . is when his lap time suddenly jumped by 2 seconds. The right folks were present to collect data and I'm excited to see this platform progress. | ||
| Kenm123t |
In time Erik Buell Racing will be a dominant force on the track. The best part is watching the development of the bikes and the company. We know where this is going when you take a street bike and totally new one at that finish and run well. Great things are coming ! People have underestimated Erik and the elves too long! This is gonna be fun! | ||
| Unique_id |
Looks like someone else picked up on this thread... http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ama-pro-rac ing-mid-ohio-ktm-erik-buell-racing-comparison/ | ||
| Blake |
>>> He, himself, said they should finish "top 5". That is an unfortunate falsehood with respect to the event at Mid Ohio. What Geoff said was that a top five finish would be good. What he has said is that the 1190 will be a top five bike. In it's first ever race, that was always a lofty goal. Two factory Yamahas, two factory Suzukis, plus the Jordan team, the KTM factory team, the BMW team. This ain't friggin' club racing. The disappointment is understandable, but the falsehoods used to justify it are outrageous. Speak truth. Be patient. Support the effort or not, but don't come here badmouthing it. Go Erik Buell Racing! Key to Danny's success was Ritchie Morris Racing. That man and his team have really distinguished themselves in AMA Professional Racing. Would be huge if Erik Buell Racing could get RMR and Danny for their SBK racing effort next year. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I would imagine a big part of the learning curve for setting up the 1190RS is the change from Showa to Ohlins suspension components. Erik Buell Racing's guys had several years of experience with adjusting the Showa stuff on the 1125R and 1125RR, but here you've got a new bike, a different brand of suspension components, AND you throw an extra 25 lbs on the bike at the last minute. Maybe what gave them a problem is they knew exactly what would be required to compensate for 25 lbs with the Showa parts, and that strategy didn't work at all with the Ohlins components. I have no doubt they will sort it out quickly. | ||
| Peyote |
>>>Would be huge if Erik Buell Racing could get RMR and Danny for their SBK racing effort next year. If Eslick would ever jump from the 600's, yes that would be nice. I for one am proud to see 2 oklahomans thrashing it in the 600 class. The consistency that Geoff May has brought to Erik Buell Racing is really gonna pay big dividends in the progress of the 1190rs platform for sure. Each time they race it, they're improving on data & makes it exciting the fact that their baseline "just off the rack" placed them 10th even with bad tire performance. | ||
| Ohsoslow |
they should split up the weight ballast and add weight in different locations of the bike, the extra 25lbs hanging right over the rear tire im sure had alot to do with why the tire was wasted so fast in the race. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Key to Danny's success was Ritchie Morris Racing. You are speaking past-tense so I assume you are referring to the DSB Championship year? If so, one could also make the reverse statement as well. The evidence proves there was one rider and one rider only who could have won the DSB championship on the Buell 1125R--Danny Eslick. this is in no way downgrading the RMR operation. That team is a class act. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Buell has been at AMA for 3 years now. E-B-R debuted the 1125RR with Geoff May at Infineon Raceway on May 14th, 2010. 14 months and 13 races total ago. I am no expert, but I would much of the accumulated data would not translate from the 1125RR to the 1190RS. Maybe Anony can chime in on this one? Everything else prior involving Buell (not Erik Buell Racing mind you) was thru Privateer efforts. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
The 1125rr first appeared in 2009 @ Mid-Ohio with Taylor Knapp aboard. Later that year, NJMP a second 1125rr appeared, with Cory West riding for Erik Buell Racing. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
The 1125r in DSB seemed to fit Eslicks riding style perfectly. I'd love to see him on the 1190rs, even if it's just testing, just to satisfy my curiosity. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The 1125rr first appeared in 2009 @ Mid-Ohio with Taylor Knapp aboard. Later that year, NJMP a second 1125rr appeared, with Cory West riding for Erik Buell Racing. +1 you are correct. Not discounting what was done in 2009 with Taylor Knapp Racing and Cory West with EB (West finished just 16 seconds off the lead in Jersey!), but it got serious when E-B-R hooked up with Geoff May. I'd love to see him on the 1190rs, even if it's just testing, just to satisfy my curiosity. I think ALOT people feel the same way. Maybe 'Slick could do some magic on the 1190 in the Superbike class? Although he has it pretty sweet with the RMR team right now. | ||
| Azxb9r |
You can count me in with the group that is disappointed with the initial showing of the 1190. Geoff has been qualifying 12th all season on the 1125, so qualifying 12th with the 1190 does not make for much of an improvement. I realize that this was the bikes first outing, but I expected a bit more. When you consider how strong the KTM was in its first outing, it makes the 1190 even more disappointing. The 9th place finish in the second race looks good till you consider that Peris did not start due to his crash in race one, and Rapp and one other rider that qualified in front of May had DNFs... basically accounting for the jump from 12th to 9th. On the up side, the bike finished both races...something you must be able to do if you want to be competitive. | ||
| Blake |
>>> The evidence proves there was one rider and one rider only who could have won the DSB championship on the Buell 1125R--Danny Eslick. That is complete nonsense. The success continued by RMR and Danny after switching to a GSXR600 is more indicative of the team's prowess in racing than comparing to just one other 1125R rider on the same team. Teams matter. Rider's matter too, but not to the point of exclusion you are leaping to grasp onto. | ||
| Blake |
Just to clarify my comment earlier re RMR and Danny, I fully meant to include Geoff in that effort as well. He's proved that he has what it takes to race at the front when he was with Jordan Suzuki. | ||
| Court |
>>>>The 1125rr first appeared in 2009 @ Mid-Ohio with Taylor Knapp aboard. Later that year, NJMP a second 1125rr appeared, with Cory West riding for Erik Buell Racing. Eventually someone is going to get around to telling you why they both went to Suzuki the next year. Book II will be plum chuck full of fun stuff . . . . | ||
| Avc8130 |
Blake, "Teams matter." Excellent point. There is an AWESOME article in the May, 2011 issue of Sport Rider about the relationship between a racer and the crew chief. Their ability to understand each other, both what is SAID AND what is MEANT, is probably the most key relationship in all of racing. RMR had the PERFECT storm in 2009. 2010 was CLOSE, but they just couldn't pull it off. How amazing is that? Right back to the top, with an entirely NEW bike to the team! That shows amazing communication. 2011 is shaping up pretty well for them too. I wonder how many more years Danny has in DSB... ac | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
court- i will admit i have been rather curious as to why the did go to suzuki....and i NEED book II..im addicted to knowledge "behind the scenes" and everything related to Erik and the Elves! -Jake | ||
| Imonabuss |
How the F*** do some of you consider KTM's to be a first outing? To me it's clear proof that people absolutely pay no attention to facts when in search of proving a false point. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Court, wouldn't it be more accurate to say they went back to Suzuki? IIRC, Eslick, Knapp and West were all on Suzukis before. Imonabuss, it's KTM's first foray in AMA Superbike. That's what we're talking about. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
That is complete nonsense. The success continued by RMR and Danny after switching to a GSXR600 is more indicative of the team's prowess in racing than comparing to just one other 1125R rider on the same team. Other rider? A reference to Michael Barnes and his lack of success on the 1125R? There was at least one other racer (Disalvo) who rode the 1125R and commented about how difficult it was to ride. I personally had a conversation with Michael Barnes who did nothing but talk about how Eslick was able to "tame the beast." I stand by my statement that Eslick was the only rider who could have won the Championship on the Buell. His background and riding style just worked with the bike--"perfect storm" indeed. Many have tried to race the Buell, a few have been respectable, none with anything close to the success of Eslick. Yes he has a good team around him and I don't recall even stating this was not the case. My praise of Eslick is not intended to knock RMR. I really don't understand why you would take it that way. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Imonabuss, it's KTM's first foray in AMA Superbike. That's what we're talking about. Which is misleading. They've been racing the bike for years now. That is a HUGE benefit. Avc, >>> How amazing is that? Right back to the top, with an entirely NEW bike to the team! That shows amazing communication. 2011 is shaping up pretty well for them too. Exactly, but it is a LOT more than just communication, though that is key. But just as important is competence, unfathomable attention to detail, dedication, and an almost unbelievable enthusiasm for the sport. It is a job, how they earn a living, and they excel at it. Not many do. Ritchie has proved himself a top team manager. He's going to go far in that, no doubt. It would be too wonderful to see him back running a team for Erik and company. (Message edited by blake on July 12, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
>>> There was at least one other racer (Disalvo) who rode the 1125R and commented about how difficult it was to ride. I recall the opposite, how Jason commented how well it got off the turns. It's just dumb to claim that Danny is the only human capable of riding the bike up front. Only one other human ever raced it for RMR. | ||
| Jdugger |
> It's just dumb to claim that Danny is the only human capable of riding the bike up front. It may be, but at the AMA level, no one else ever did, either. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It's just dumb to claim that Danny is the only human capable of riding the bike up front. Yeah I guess he's the only human among Corey West, Taylor Knapp, Michael Barnes, Shawn Higbee, and several other riders who I can't remember. Yes, Blake there probably IS someone on the planet who MIGHT be able to run at the front on the 1125R, but Eslick is the ONLY person to come close and there are many examples (see above) of legit AMA racers who didn't have success with the 1125R. Not only did Danny win races, he won a Championship. Give the ••••••• guy his due. Maybe there is a reason why there are no 1125Rs currently in the field in DSB? It seems like if it someone could run it at the front, maybe a couple would be in the field? | ||
| Dannybuell |
Could contingency money be an issue? | ||
| Kinder |
I admit I don't know alot about racing. This is my first year on the track. But I can read when trying to learn... To me 09 showed that the 1125RR had advantages over 600's. Of the few races I saw I cannot recall one where a 600 took a 1125RR on the straight. Eslick went from 10th and 11th place on a Suzuki to first on the Buell. That victory was not his alone. It was a combination of Bike, Race Team (RMR) and skill. RMR has been working/racing around HD's and Buells for a long time. That experience shows and got a 6yr rider to take the bike to its level like no-one else has yet. Erik Buell Racing will get there. They are new and small with limited money. Like in most things teams win races. Not bikes, not riders but teams. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Shawn Higbee, a great racer, was running up his credit cards and passing the hat to be able to compete. Danny Eslick, a great racer, showed up for a mature established team, complete with tractor trailers and glossy catalogs. They don't spend big money on big teams for fun, they do it to get an advantage. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Corey West, Taylor Knapp, Michael Barnes Didn't these guys ride the 1125 for FACTORY team? I honestly can't remember who rode what (1125R DSB/1125RR ASBK) and for who (factory/private). If any of them rode 1125R in DSB that wouldn't make the claim so "dumb". Either way, no Eslick, no championship. Check the record books: 2009 DSB Champion DANNY ESLICK...the name comes first. There is a reason the RIDER gets the credit. No crew chief or team owner could ultimately be responsible for the moves Eslick was pulling on that Buell. Sure, in the background they had great bike setup (to Eslick's needs) and great money (to buy testing/tuning), but the ultimate decisions...ON THE TRACK IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE were all Danny's. | ||
| Boltrider |
Kinder - The Bike that Eslick won on was not an 1125RR, it was just an 1125R. The 1125R was used in the Sportbike class, while the 1125RR was developed for Superbike. It might seem nit-picky, but the differences between one "R" and two "R's" was pretty substantial, including about 30 hp at the wheels if I recall correctly. |
