| Author | Message | ||
     Drhodes1970 |
I just don't see how Erik Buell Racing is going to sell these new 1190RS bikes without addressing the stator problems and what they did to fix them. Letting us 1125 owners know what to do with our bikes would be a great way to keep our money flowing his way. I know I will not be even thinking about buying one until we hear something from them about the bikes we have and the problems we are facing with these charging issues. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Who said that the 1190 has not had the stator addressed? I do know the 1190 has added oil coolers to the stator. The regulator may be different as well. | ||
| Froggy |
Guess what? They did address the issue, and the bike is selling. Remember, virtually every single part of the bike is different than what came on the 1125R, including the stator and its cooling system. | ||
| Xnoahx |
I wish I could get the 1190 radiators and body work for my 1125 | ||
| Froggy |
You can. The only thing that would stop you is your credit limit. | ||
| Sprintst |
You folks missed his point. - the stator issue has to be addressed for the 1190RS to succeed - if/when it's addressed, it should be made available for sale to the HD Buell community. This would provide a revenue stream for Erik Buell Racing (Message edited by sprintst on July 04, 2011) | ||
| Sportster_mann |
Only problem is that it may involve a little machine work on the motor - if so that's not going to be any use to those of us that are some distance from Erik Buell Racing. | ||
| Sprintst |
Specification drawings could be provided for a local machine shop always a way | ||
| Ratbuell |
I believe an 1190 stator will retrofit to an 1125 engine. It has modifications to improve oil flow and cooling. An 1125 stator can NOT be machined to "match" the upgrades, since there are magnetic properties involved and drilling magnetized metal usually results in more than just a hole. I would assume that once the 1190 has made some track time and things have settled down to a more mortal pace for the Elves, we'll be able to learn more. For now...let's just let them prep for racing! | ||
| Pwillikers |
I agree with the OP. For many reasons, the 1190 is a perfect next bike for me. I love the power delivery and handling of my '09 1125cr and with the 1190 offering more of the same, it'll be highly desirable. Functionally, it is at the top of my list. And, I am thrilled to have the opportunity to support an American sport bike manufacturer. I wish Erik Buell Racing much success. Erik and crew have earned it. However, I must confess to feeling like we have all been dropped like a hot rock by Erik Buell Racing while they pursue building Erik's tour de force. I understand the mitigating factors for them not engaging with us, not the least of which is that HD is THE responsible party and given the situation, is the entity truly deserving of our ire. However, were I Erik Buell Racing, I would definitely be waiting in the wings with a stator fix to offer when HD's obligations expire (be it a recommended rewind, new RR, machining... whatever) that fixes this problem once and for all. Erik Buell Racing would be perceived as a white knight come to rescue Buell customers from HD's malicious indifference. Doing so would engender renewed brand enthusiasm and deep loyalty that would no doubt lead to additional sales for Erik Buell Racing. Conversely, not doing so risks a persistent and legitimate condemnation from those of us who comprise the dropped hot rock that would dog Erik Buell Racing forever. In addition to doing the right thing, it is clearly a good business decision. Erik, do the right thing. | ||
| Jules |
That's a very well written post. I happen to disagree with the content but do admire the style. HD's obligations don't end for another 7 years or so, personally I don't want to wait 7 years for Erik to do something and I appreciate the fact that he can't do anything for legal reasons. I think any other third party could come up with a fix and sell it to us, I don't think Erik Buell Racing can because of the non-competition clause for one (although I know that certain parts of that clause have already lapsed). I agree that this is HD's responsibility to fix (if they can) both legally and morally. IF Erik Buell Racing did come out with a "kit" I'd definately buy it from them, but then again if someone else did I'd buy it from them too.. I don't mind WHERE a kit comes from. I don't blame Erik or anyone else at BUELL for the issues, I certainly don't blame Erik Buell Racing for the current situation. If you design a product and specify the quality standards for production and those standards are then compromised by bean counters it's the bean counters that ought to take the brunt of your ire. I hope the 1190 works out really well for Erik Buell Racing, I want that company to go from strength to strength and then to make another road bike I can afford, because I can't see me being able to afford a 1190 anytime soon. The stator is an "irritant" but personally I'll wait for my warranty to run out and go the custom rewing route... or retrofit an 08 stator/rotor... | ||
| Dannybuell |
Pwillikers spin was OK if said parts were sold as 1190 replacements. I think we need to shift our thinking a bit, truth be told this is a Rotax problem. The only current interest in the 1125 Helicon engine is Erik Buell Racing and Rotax. | ||
| Drhodes1970 |
I had not heard of the changes that were made other than that the rotor may be a little different.The issue might have been addressed and the bike may be selling but coming up with a fix for the 1125 would probably put me on the list for a new bike. I think a lot of us have been waiting for Erik Buell Racing to come up with something. They definitely have the resources . It would inspire a lot of confidence when decision time came. | ||
| Froggy |
Well, I guess you didn't look before, Erik Buell Racing was selling a fix, but I don't see it listed anymore since the site update. | ||
| Budgolf |
I'm amazed that people think that Erik owes us anything. He's done much more for us than he's obligated. People seem to forget that he was dropped by HD just like we were. He helps when he can, but he is planning his personal future. He didn't chose this it chose him. Stop placing blame at the feet of Erik Buell Racing and place it where it belongs. Stop holding him responsible for solutions to your problems. Fix the problem yourself, or sell the bike and shut the hell up about it. Either way, stop looking to Erik Buell to save you and let the man go race. And just enjoy the fact that he's letting us come along for the ride. | ||
| Aj2010 |
I would be interested in seeing the inside of the 1190 stator cover. I am sure a machine shop could drill a few oil passages in it. They would just need to know the diameter, the number of holes to drill and the angle. Barring that, perhaps a price on an 1190 stator cover and knowing if the 08 and 09 style stators will bolt in. I am planning a 7000 or so kilometer trip later this month. It will be interesting to see the condition of the 08 stator I've just installed. The original lasted about 7000 km's and the replacement was at the chocolate brown stage when I removed it. The used 08 stuff looked brand new when I put it in. | ||
| Davegess |
The stator is not a problem for Erik Buell Racing. It is something for HD to deal with IF they think it is enough of an issue to even deal with. If something is not a NHTSA issue than it is really a good will thing for the manufacturer. Since HD dumped Buell you all could be banging your heads against he wall waiting on HD to fix it. I don't think there is any legal reason why Erik Buell Racing or anyone can't sell parts for a Buell motorcycle company bike. Just a question of can you make a profit doing it and does it make sense for your company to be in the business. Not sure YES would be the answer to either of those questions for Erik Buell Racing. | ||
| Sprintst |
Well it is an Erik Buell Racing issue if he expects to sell a repackaged version of the 1125 Rotax motor and expect the marketplace to have any confidence in the longevity and reliability of powerplant | ||
| Jdugger |
Y'all are such a pack of whiners. No one with $40k to split on the RS is worried about it, I assure you. The existing motor works fine and doesn't have a stator problem if you just pull the string, downshift, and use the throttle. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
Wow.... ebr had an 08 retorfit kit on their website until the site update. I'm sure you can email them about that. They probably took that down because they are about to put the 1190 kit up. Erik buell has done so much for us and for people to put this problem on him is rediculous. I know of a few times where he personally called harley to help some buell guys. Ebr sells takeoff parts as cheap as they can. I have no doubt that ebr will take care of us. | ||
| Jdugger |
> and for people to put this problem on him is ridiculous Exactly, which is why I put it as bluntly as I did. | ||
| Jules |
Bluntly and inaccurately IMHO... Downshifting, pulling strings etc is bollocks.. there's a design flaw there. Personally I don't think Erik Buell Racing is "to blame" but blaming the owners/riders is very shortsighted. | ||
| Davegess |
IF there is a real problem, and I wonder just how widespread this really is, it is an HD problem. The new motor is different than that old motor. The 1125 was designed and built to BMC specs and these specs where constrained by what HD would let them do. If the 1190 has a stator that will retrofit your HD product and solve this issue than I am sure you will hear about it in due time. I can assure that the folks in East Troy have one or two small tasks that may keep them from addressing failures on some other companies MC. They have a marketing plan in place and they are moving full speed ahead with that plan. If the chatter about the stator on a BMC 1125 prevents you from buying an 1190RS too bad for you. I understand that all 100 2011 bikes are spoken for so I don't think it is much of an issue for buyers. | ||
| Jdugger |
> there's a design flaw there No doubt, but suggesting that the potential market for a $40k motorcycle won't consider it because of the 1125r's problem is just as inane. However, there are things the rider can do mitigate risk... | ||
| Jules |
mitigate risk Can we compromise and agree on "reduce" rather than "mitigate"? I ride mine like I stole it and I'm pretty sure my stator's on it's way out after the weekend... At idle when hot it won't provide enough charge to keep the bike above 12V, I managed to get back on the road with it still showing 11.9V and at 6K it managed to get back up to 13.1V but as soon as I slowed down it dropped about 0.1V a second. I rarely potter about and normally spend 75-80% of the time on the bike in the upper quarter of the rev range.. | ||
| Drhodes1970 |
Thanks Sprintst, that is exactly what I wanted to say in the first place but didn't have the right words because I have been so frustrated with this. | ||
| Tpoppa |
However, there are things the rider can do mitigate risk... I've heard that before...and it's still nonsense. 5k... As far as making a kit...there is NOTHING stopping EBaRRR or any other company from making aftermarket parts for the 1125, Roadking, or any other motorcycle. I happen to think that Buell (the man) does have a responsibility to 1125 owners despite what has occurred over the last 2 years. I'm sure he could spend a couple days sharing information with Custom Rewind to take the guess work out of it...for example. Perhaps he has a more robust fix in the works. I certainly hope so. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I happen to think that Buell (the man) does have a responsibility to 1125 owners despite what has occurred over the last 2 years. Part of me would love to know how that thought process came about...but most of me could care less. Erik honestly has ZERO "responsibility" to us 1125 owners and I for one am adult enough to realize that and not hold him personally accountable. He's got enough to worry about as it is. I'm sure he could spend a couple days sharing information with Custom Rewind Um....WHEN???? Have you not read any of the 1190 threads, and where that bike is headed even though only a handful of people have been responsible for it? Or...are you THAT selfcentered that you just don't give a rat's ass about anyone else? Erik is a busy man. He has priorities, and even though I think I have an idea of what they are...I won't presume to guess at them in a public forum. It's not my place. If you want to go after someone - go after Rotax. THEY have the resources and the manpower and the budget. Erik? Most definitely does NOT. Let the poor man focus. | ||
| Ljm |
This is really amazing. We all have access to a great bike (the old ones), with a new generation coming. When things slow down at Erik Buell Racing they will continue to be the great resource for us that they have been. Meanwhile they are busy. I don't know if you noticed but there is a race this weekend. | ||
| Sprintst |
Erik Buell Racing is not financially or even morally responsible, HD is. Rotax isn't directly responsible, HD is. HD needs to go to their vendor, Rotax, and get them to help solve the problem and probably help with the cost. This is how a factory/vendor relationship works. Ask Ford's vendor how much the fix on their diesel engines cost. I won't have the dough to buy an 1190RS However, I will look at buying the mass market Erik Buell Racing version of the 1190RS If Erik Buell Racing hasn't solved the stator issue with the Rotax engine they are specifying, then it would make me seriously reconsider the product So, Erik Buell Racing needs to solve the stator issue with the Rotax engine. If their solution can be sold and retrofit to the BMC 1125's, that's just gravy for Erik Buell Racing, and helps support the Buell community that has helped put Erik where he is today. Erik Buell Racing too busy with racing? Sure, but at the end of the day the business is developing, producing and selling product - motorcycles, not winning races. I'm sure Erik knows that. (Message edited by sprintst on July 05, 2011) |
