| Author | Message | ||
     Duphuckincati |
This is a motorcycle forum from the San Francisco area, BARF-Bay Area Riders Forum and here's some ramblings on Buell being "back"... http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthrea d.php?t=359684 | ||
| Froggy |
I'm not done reading the thread, but its fun watching all the speculation, and people arguing over what they think are correct facts. Then that Ozy guy keeps making a fool of himself! (Message edited by froggy on February 20, 2011) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Interesting read anyway. I've been periodically googling to see what's being said about the bike on news reports and various forums. Some people apparently just hate everything, or everything other than what they're riding. Comments like "I guess it's OK, I just never liked Buells". WTF? OK, what DO you like? If you can't find a Buell you like somewhere between the RR1000 and the 1190RS, you just don't like motorcycles. Another "You can put shoes and a dress on a pig but it's still a pig. It's not even in the top 200 bikes I'd ever consider buying." Harley rider? Hell, I can't imagine what a moron like that thinks. | ||
| Court |
>>>Personally, using ones name sounds a little too egomaniac to me in the first place. Not the brightest lamps . . . one of my favorites . . "Personally, using ones name sounds a little too egomaniac to me in the first place." I'm not sure he realizes that "Harley-Davidson", "Honda", "Yamaha" and "Suzuki" are the names of founders of those companies . . . it was entertaining reading. The chatter on the race board is fabulous. | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
Ha! Can you believe the ridiculous blabber coming off of that site? Some of those people haven't a clue. If the looks of the bike (minus the exhaust IMO) fail to grab your attention, then the expected performance numbers should. IMO, the bike's look demands attention and people should be eager to see what Erik can do without the impedance of Harley. Instead of discarding the RS, they should be intrigued at what it may or may not be. I think its a beautiful bike even though I don't really care for the exhaust. To me, it looks like the stocker on the R and CR but with elongated tips that attach to the side of the bike. I hope they eventually come out with a bike that I can afford. If Erik Buell Racing does, it will be in the garage next to my R. | ||
| Albert666 |
if i had the cash i'd certainly get an rs, i don't care if buells are flawed, if i had a supposedly 'perfect' bike i don't think i'd get as much enjoyment out of it, plus i'd have nothing to blame for my poor riding  , buells involve you, invite you to tinker with them, i don't see the same bond with say a gsxr, and when people refer to my xb as a tractor the reply is better to be a farmer on a tractor than one of the sheep | ||
| Rogue_biker |
It's Bay Area bikers what do you expect? They all would love to either: Have a Rat Bike from Japan.... ....or an expensive BMW or Ducati. LOL! People who like Buells just like the brand and what it stands for: the man and his dream. Like I said in another post, no other brand in the world truly represents one man's dreams and goals. All other bikes are designed by committee. Buells are designed mostly by one man and his small team. Moto-Cysz (sp?) and Wakans are probably the closest ones to what Buells represent. Most motorcyclists have absolutely no clue about Buells and the history behind it. They hear about it from others who screw up the whole truth or sensationalize it--most of it is negative. This "grapevine" information is then turned into facts, which then proliferates throughout Forums, riders groups, blogs, and sometimes even magazine articles. Some of these magazine testers, okay I'll drop names, like Aaron Frank of Motorcyclist Magazine, who claims to "like Buells" complained endlessly that Buells were not like mainstream bikes! What a tool! | ||
| Duphuckincati |
I have a Rat Ducati. But I'm 200+ miles from the Bay Area. | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
There is nothing wrong with Ducati or Suzuki, Honda, BMW or any other bike. Its the negative hypocrisy from some of these other riders that gets me and it is spewed buy ill informed riders who's extensive knowledge is gathered from the flash and/or glimmer of the only bike they have chosen to ride and/or purchase. Like many (but not all) HD owners, their ego personifies their mentality. They are afraid to acknowledge the intricacies and ingenuity of other bike manufacturers because if they do then it would diminish the value they place on their own choice motorcycle. At least, that's my take on it. lol I know I can ramble. | ||
| Xb9er |
I read the link to that forum. Seems like those guys either buy bikes on looks or buy race replicas and other big money bikes. I liked how the one dude said that the AMA is worthless. I wonder what level of racing he races. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOMO! | ||
| Duphuckincati |
I think you mean "ghey" rather than "homo" (check Blake's posting in "1125 vs V-Rod" thread). | ||
| Ratsmc |
Hehe, I'm actually JO E B R MC in that topic. Some of the crap is really stupid and there is always an anti-Buell element out there. Typically, it is some sort of weird emotionally based issue rather than based on any facts. If you read carefully, most of the comments are fairly positive just not of the same nature as what you'll find here. The fact is, the 1190RS has sparked a lot more positivity than anything Buell has done before but there is still a significant portion of the riding community that isn't sold just yet. The good news is that a lot more of those people are way more interested now. Side note: I stopped for coffee on the way to help a friend move. When I pulled up I was literally swarmed by bikers. Most of them were French  but they were really excited about getting to see the CR. When I told them to look up 1190RS, they were were over the moon. Felt good when the fully custom Ducati with the dry clutch pulled up and no even looked his way. This is pretty common wherever I go. It very often takes me a lot longer than planned to get out of any place I stop. Side note to the side note: When I told them the motor was a Rotax, they all were nearly positive that was a Canadian company. I had to correct them and explain the relationship to BRP. (Message edited by RatsMC on February 20, 2011) | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
On a side note, the link to the Fischer motorcycle page was a bonus. I love the styling of the bike and the fact that it is an American bike (in part anyway) is great. Though, I prefer more than 80 HP, the bike looks really good and for $8000.00, you can't beat it. I have never heard of a Fischer before seeing it on that post. Good find! fischer1.com | ||
| Imonabuss |
No wonder that site is called BARF. | ||
| Ratsmc |
Honestly, I don't think the comments over there were overly negative. Really just two guys had uninformed and negative comments. Other than that, most people were positive or interested. You can't expect everyone to be as emotional about the brand as everyone here. I think that same emotion is what is making people read the comments as negative when a lot of them are really just looking for information. By being defensive and calling anyone who doesn't like Buell or Erik Buell idiots, you are doing a disservice to the brand. People are generally curious, talk to them and remain positive. | ||
| Ratsmc |
Oh, also, you should look at the comments on the WERA forum. Real racers seem to be really excited. Perhaps even more so than people here. | ||
| Duggram |
Ratsmc, I just finished reading that thread. You seem to be the voice of reason in that bunch. The 1190RR has already had good results. Look what Geoff did with Chris Paris on the S1000RR at Utah last year. That's a fast track and the 1190RR held its own and Chris is a good AMA rider. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I expect racers are looking at the 1190RS, particularly it's wheels, brakes, tailsection, suspension and electronics package... Then looking at its likely $40k price tag... ... And thinking it's a bargain. It's also a game changer bike... racers will instinctively recognize that, and be thinking "I can be riding that bike or I can be chasing it..." | ||
| Duphuckincati |
One thing about the BARF site you should know is it's one that (among other things) places high value on being rude and obnoxious in a non-mean spirited way. To some degree a bunch of New Jersey type wanna-bees but still at the heart of it Kalifornia sissies. And mostly in their twenties/early thirties so some still think Honda invented motorcycles. Like I said, maybe amusing. | ||
| Xb9er |
It is a little amusing but at the same time sad. Just because Buell was under HD they dont want to give it chance now. They one guy said he rode a 1125R and said it was awesome but he would never buy one seeming like it was because of the name on the bike. The people on that site seem to forget Erik is a fellow American and we need to back him 100%. Abstract ideas always get my vote | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
fast question to help me with a discusion. The 1125 "cheater bike" what were the other vtwins in the series? Ducati/Aprillia? Weren't they bigger ass well? | ||
| Froggy |
The 2009 DSB rules: http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=33334 Aprilia Tuono BMW HP2 Sport Buell 1125R Ducati 848 Ducati S4R Honda CBR600RR Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R KTM Super Duke MV Brutale 910S Suzuki GSX-R600 Triumph Daytona 675 Yamaha YZF-R6 The BMW HP2 is a 1200cc, so the 1125R wasn't even the largest displacement bike eligible. | ||
| Fast1075 |
The REAL idiot on that forum is the Zero-1RR dude...what he should do is build a TL-650 that in his words would be "fair" by running a V-twin that is not "too big"....see how far he gets with that...Idiots...a few guys there have good sense... And the worst is the one that says something about "seeing if" an 1190 will ever be competitive...guess you can't know about the european series with your head up your butt... (Message edited by fast1075 on February 21, 2011) | ||
| Hootowl |
2008xb12scg - The 1125R had to carry ballast as well. | ||
| Rogue_biker |
San Francisco....Kalifornia sissies. LOL! How appropriate. LOL! That area is the center of Liberal thinking (Berkeley) so anything American is looked down on immediately. However, it's a great place to ride motorcycles. I mean, probably the best place to ride in CA. Forget the KA-sissies. That area has more twisty roads than any area in the USA. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
The theme I can't get over, was the 1125 in a 600 class! It seems to me the haters just can't come to terms with the "FACT" that DSB was a formula class, and for the last two years has some of the best racing we have ever seen. The 600 class was called supersport. Regardless of haters Erik Buell Racing has met the challenge and accomplished the first step and we will all hold out breath to see what the future brings. I know that both Jimmy and I look forward and seeing the RR and RS at Infineon in a couple of months. Terry@jtsperformance.com | ||
| Blake |
Someone might ought to inform the idiots there that the Buell 1125RR finished ahead of factory bikes in 2009 in only its second Superbike event and was leading a race last year at atlanta. | ||
| Ratsmc |
Rogue_biker, believe me, no one in the bay area wants to be associated with Berkeley. | ||
| Trojan |
The theme I can't get over, was the 1125 in a 600 class! It seems to me the haters just can't come to terms with the "FACT" that DSB was a formula class, and for the last two years has some of the best racing we have ever seen. The 600 class was called supersport. The DSB win unfortunately didn't do Buell any favours in the PR world outside of Buell enthusiasts simply because it was an 1125 racing mostly 600's. Non Buell spectators/watchers/trollers were and are not interested in the fine print of the ruels and only see the bare results. I thought at the time that Buell were in a double edged sword situation really, as if they hadn't won the same people would have said 'that's no good if an 1125 can't beat a 600' but if it did win then it would be 'of course they had to win as they had twice the displacement'. All in all the first season of DSB wasn't a great PR result for Buell or the AMA (although it was good for Buell to win of course) Now that the 1190 is nearly ready we should be able to see Buell racing against Superbikes of similar displacement and when it wins there will be no reason for anyone to complain | ||
| Jdugger |
> when it wins there will be no reason for anyone to complain I'm already hearing "homologation special" cries. |
