| Author | Message | ||
     Dannybuell |
does anyone know what the problem is? http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/LATEST+NEWS/K awasaki-places-hold-on-2011-Ninja-ZX-10R-asks-con/ ArticleStandard/Article/detail/700137?contextCateg oryId=48447 | ||
| Jules |
Undefined engine problems apparently. First rumour was the exhaust valve servo, then reliability (pistons) but big K aren't saying! | ||
| Littlebutquick |
EVEN THE RICE GET IT WRONG .BUT THAT MUST BE A BIG WRONG  | ||
| Court |
Most of what you here will be rumors . . .most will be wrong. I say that based on nothing more than my personal experience with recalls. | ||
| Benzo_mike |
Does anyone think that the secrecy (nondisclosure) surrounding this "technical hold" (recall) is going to help sales? Doesn't do anything for my confidence in the company or its products. Disclose, and own it. | ||
| Ratsmc |
There is a theory that is making some sense to me: the wrong spec was shipped to the US. This seems more logical than a defect. With a defect - even a major one - it is easiest to have the dealers make a fix. Front wheel issue? just ship out new wheels. However, if you shipped a Euro or AUS spec bike to the US, the EPA and Department of Transportation are going to throw a fit and the only solution is the bring all the bikes back in and ship them home. | ||
| Curve_carver |
One thing I can say is Kawasaki takes full responsibility. Unsold units will be returned to KMC warehouses. “The units will be redistributed once Kawasaki is 100 percent confident they reflect company standards for this highly technical, race-bred machine,” the company says. Consumers who have taken delivery of a unit will be instructed to return the unit to the dealership for a full refund and will be among the first to have the option of receiving a new unit once the technical hold has been lifted. Kawasaki was very professional in the way they handled it. I can't say the same for buell and or Harley. Remember the 08 transjet recall,the clutch cover issues ,Now Throw the stator in there and think about all of this. Did we recieve the customer service Kawasaki gave their customers? HELL NO!! I would definitely buy a Kawasaki zx10r If I was in the market for a inline. Seeing how they treated this situation and the company name makes me jealous. Harley or buell never gave me nowhere near that kind of reassurance that any of my problems I was grandfathered into would be solved and right the first time. I guess when a company is that huge the can afford it. I am definitely jealous !!!! (Message edited by Curve_carver on December 17, 2010) | ||
| D_adams |
So sell your buell, or trade it in on a ZX10? If you're not happy with the current bike that you have, quit bitching and get rid of it. This is a Buell _enthusiast_ board, not a "I wanna bitch about everything I've ever heard of that might be wrong with Buells" board. I'd buy a couple more if I had the money for it. I'll probably buy a wrecked one or two later to play with, maybe even an older one with even more character than what my 1125 has. | ||
| Fast1075 |
The way I see it, is heads up by the company...this is a new age...if you want market share you have to fight for it. It would be a lot easier to send a halfast bike out and blame problems on the people that paid good money for one. | ||
| Azxb9r |
Court hit it on the head...people hear the word "recall", and the rumors and speculation start to fly. A recall is a companies way of fixing a known problem. It is not necessarily a bad thing, it is just taking responsibility for your product. Over time the real story will come out. | ||
| Aseecobra |
Maybe the ZX10 had too much back pressure?  | ||
| Curve_carver |
If you're not happy with the current bike that you have, quit bitching and get rid of it. This is a Buell _enthusiast_ board, not a "I wanna bitch about everything I've ever heard of that might be wrong with Buells" board. I'm sorry you feel that way but that wasn't my intensions.I'm not in the market for an inline as I stated?? I'd buy a couple more if I had the money for it. I'll probably buy a wrecked one or two later to play with, maybe even an older one with even more character than what my 1125 has. Im sure you would.I for one would like a vtwin and an inline eventually.Theres so many different styles of bikes to choose from.I think everyone should own more than one brand of motorcycle.Why be stuck with one brand. To own more than one 1125r or cr would be pointless in my opinion unless ones for racing and ones for riding.IDK if that makes any sense to you? Why limit yourself to one brand. Thats like saying that you would only stay in one state the rest of your life or buy one one style truck. WHY?? Why wouldn't you want to experience something different. Well IDK maybe you can handle a zx10r? What other bikes have you OWNED Have a Merry Christmas Dean "No harm" | ||
| D_adams |
Not that it matters, but a GS550, a few CB750's, various (maybe 10?) dirt bikes of different breeds, all japanese mfg, an sv650 and I worked on bikes as a mechanic for several years, so I rode damn near everything out there in the early 90's, including at least one turbo gixxer on alcohol (that one ran low 7's in the quarter I think) and quite a few bikes with nitrous on them. The Buell is the only one I intend to keep for more than a year. I also prefer chevy 4x4 trucks, I have a ford minivan for the wife. Merry xmas to you. | ||
| Ratsmc |
Dean, I'm not totally sure what your first post is directed at. I'm not sure anyone expressed an interesting in buying the Kawi. | ||
| D_adams |
Maybe I took it the wrong way? Just giving props to kawi for the complete recall and then bitching about hd/buell and the way all the problems were handled. I dunno, I guess I've had decent luck with mine and my dealers here in St. Louis. Worst one for downtime was 3.5 weeks? 4 weeks tops, but I don't remember for sure. 2.5 weeks this year for the water pump, not a single dealer in the country had one in stock but I got one in and installed with one day to spare before homecoming. I guess it was this statement that got me.
Buell is so much smaller in scale, but every problem I've ever had has been addressed in a reasonable fashion. Yeah, HD sucks for shutting down Buell, but even after the fact, I've still gotten decent recall/warranty service. I guess I got the impression that he'd be happier on a zx10 instead of a 1125. | ||
| Johnnys999 |
D_adams said: Buell is so much smaller in scale, but every problem I've ever had has been addressed in a reasonable fashion. Yeah, HD sucks for shutting down Buell, but even after the fact, I've still gotten decent recall/warranty service. I guess I got the impression that he'd be happier on a zx10 instead of a 1125. I don't blame the guy for making that statement you got riled up over. After reading the threads here about defective parts and extreme wait times, I would be at the end of my rope. Brand loyalty will only go so far before people reach their limits. Harley assured us they would have service and they will have parts in the pipeline for seven years. Well, take that with a grain of salt. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and when I go out for a ride I wonder if I'll get stranded somewhere. At this time I don't have confidence in the brand and I don't blame anyone either for moving on. You may have had acceptable service, but there are many more here that have not because its a crap shoot with the dealer network. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Clear and cold in Oregon, I backed everything up and took a late lunch with a riding buddy that included the rural way out of the city for lunch. The ride back was a longer rural ride back with even more twisties!! It has been raining a LOT in Oregon lately. back to thread------- From wiki: Kawasaki Heavy Industries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Heavy_Indust ries 1 Products 1.1 Aerospace 1.2 Rolling stock 1.3 Shipbuilding 1.4 Energy plants and facilities 1.5 Industrial equipment 1.6 Environment and recycling 1.7 Infrastructure 1.8 Transportation A Monster hi-tech manufacturing corporation with more senior engineers in more disciplines than HD has employees. Some of the deepest pockets in the world and stuff still happens. Erik Buell's 1125 is a testament to one mans persistence and determination. The last race season was about as close as it gets to a David and Goliath story. With 7600 miles I am settling into the bike more and more. That CR engine is just so sweet, like all bikes it loves the cold. | ||
| Court |
>>>>A Monster hi-tech manufacturing corporation with more senior engineers in more disciplines than HD has employees. Some folks . . . I do business with HHI (Hyundai Heavy Industries) when we buy large (like in 400,000# for just the core large) power transformers. For a real appreciation . . dig about on Honda's website. Yep . . they spend more on racing than HD's entire revenue for a year. HD doesn't have enough employees worldwide to perform custodial services at Honda's HQ. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Kawasaki was very professional in the way they handled it. I can't say the same for buell and or Harley. Remember the 08 transjet recall,the clutch cover issues ,Now Throw the stator in there and think about all of this. Did we recieve the customer service Kawasaki gave their customers? HELL NO!! I would definitely buy a Kawasaki zx10r If I was in the market for a inline. Seeing how they treated this situation and the company name makes me jealous. Harley or buell never gave me nowhere near that kind of reassurance that any of my problems I was grandfathered into would be solved and right the first time. I guess when a company is that huge the can afford it. I am definitely jealous !!!!  So can you say specifically how Buell f-ed you on the trans jet OR the clutch cover issue? My experience for both issues: 1) Take bike to dealer 2) Wait a day or two for work to be done 3) Pickup bike 4) Issue resolved permanently The stator issue popped up largely after the murdering of Buell and Hardley has indeed fallen down on the job by trying to minimize the cost by using this harness. I do feel we are getting sub-par treatment on the stator, but as for ALL the other issues--handled properly and efficiently. You an also bet if Erik Buell was still running the company the stator issue would be resolved and it wouldn't be the center of the 1125 universe as it is now. I can't believe anyone is giving props to Kawasaki secrecy on this MAJOR recall issue. Never fear. In this day and age of the internet, it will get leaked eventually and we will all know about it. Kawasaki should know this and spill the beans. | ||
| Curve_carver |
Well since you are firing at me fresno and Adams .What about the camchain plastics that were defective? How would you feel having someone that has never torn a 1125 apart in their life but now you expect them to retime your engine and lower it?LOL Gimme a break fresno. Put your fairy wings on and fly away. These quotes look familiar adams So sell your buell, or trade it in on a ZX10? If you're not happy with the current bike that you have, quit bitching and get rid of it. You then stated on buelliten board: } I've got about 22000 on mine so far, clutch leaked (4x) , IC failure (slow drain, killed the battery in a week), water pump (weeping, found the impeller missing one vane "I probably missed a full month of riding for various reasons, the longest downtime was the water pump at about 2.5 weeks." So there's a few hundred (?) dissatisfied owners out there like you and maybe 8500 or so that are happy? I think there was what, 9000 or so built? I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. LMAO Spare me your BS. So can you say specifically how Buell f-ed you on the trans jet OR the clutch cover issue? I cant, Poorly trained Harley techs have taken the liberty to experiment with our bikes.They have no sufficient training to even look at a rotax engine.Why in the world would someone allow this? Why would the release of a bike be done without trained techs? As far as the clutch issue yes they did.My first engine puked and now the warranty engine pukes too.Once again not fixed. Court do you have any info on how many harley techs attending the rotax camp? Once again I am not degrading the buell name just the techs and the quality of these fixes. FRESNOFAIRYBUELLER Im sorry that your upset that I gave Kawasaki props. In all honesty they have shown they are truly passionate about the quality standards that their name provides.I for one know in this day in age technology provides simulation programs. they are designed to minimize error. So why are the buells falling apart with these simulation programs? On another note: There are so many defective products due to the international market being involved.One standards That has definitely held ground is the JIS standard.This standard has succeeded the American standards IMHO. I attribute this to China and how we as Americana have bought and implemented their nickle products to replace solid units we could make. The international market Is being used so much in the usa . Well quite frankly It disgusts me. Back on topic: The fact that Kawasaki is taking it to the level of "FULL REFUND" and "FIRST CHOICE" is simply astounding!!} CASE CLOSED Flame AWAY I am still optimistic after reading Erik interview. GO Erik Buell Racing (Message edited by Curve_carver on December 18, 2010) (Message edited by Curve_carver on December 18, 2010) (Message edited by Curve_carver on December 18, 2010) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What about the camchain plastics that were defective? You have you facts wrong....again. The issue not defective plastic bits. It was a loose cam chain tensioner which led to possible damage to the plastic guides if the chain got loose enough. Cam chain tensioner issue only pertained to a relatively small number of CRs and <gasp> it was handled by Buell just fine. AFAIK it was painless as I don't recall many negative posts about it, but I don't own a CR either. | ||
| Jules |
Irrespective of the diversity of opinion as to whether Buell/HD have "done right" by owners (that's a matter of personal opinion) there's no need to resort to name calling, or modifying usernames in responses. That "FRESNOFAIRYBUELLER" shot was cheap, low and childish. So you guys disagree about something... just grow up FFS.. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The fact that Kawasaki is taking it to the level of "FULL REFUND" and "FIRST CHOICE" is simply astounding!! CASE CLOSED Flame AWAY } Me thinks you should wait to find out what exactly why the bikes are being recalled before you make statements like that. Also me thinks there aren't a whole lot of "delivered" 2011 ZX-10s circulating at this point--so the big deal Kawi is making about taking back the bikes maybe more PR than anything of substance. Court made a statement that the rumors will be flying fast and furious. EXACTLY the reason Kawi should just bite the bullet and tell us what's up. Curve Carver, I know you weren't around here when the first 2008s were delivered in Nov. of 2007 but we have some experience with the factory withholding information from the owners/public. Buell made the same mistake when the 1125R debuted and there was HUGE speculation from the owners about what the hell was going on. It definitely caused lots of friction between the owners and BMC. It would have been SO much better if the factory just leveled with the owners instead of giving the silent treatment which kept us guessing and in an uproar. I guess because BMC is defunct I can post this. But when the big time electrical gremlins were affecting the early 2008 1125Rs (turned out to be a faulty instrument cluster again addressed completely by BMC once discovered), I was one of the most vocal Badwebbers about this issue. It got so heated that BMC corporate basically told my service manager at the dealership to tell me to pipe down about the issue on Badweb--otherwise BMC approval for subsequent warranty work on my bike was going to get real difficult. BMC corporate didnt' outright state "we won't cover warranty work in the gray area if you keep causing waves on Badweb" but it was easy to read between the lines. It was surreal. true story. | ||
| Curve_carver |
Your are missing the point fresno. A Buell recall was done for whatever the reason was ? Techs were not trained to do such a task. Once again you are not looking at the big picture but instead picking away at the little things.It was a situation that wasn't rectified in a proper mannor. And that is why I give Kawasaki props. I do like my bike and after working out my problems I will run it till it cant be run no more. But For some to criticize Kawasaki is just plain dumb. Especially after the way weve been treated. | ||
| D_adams |
Want a copy of the service records? I'm not whining about mine. No, I wasn't happy when it happened, but they got it taken care of, new parts, whatever needed to be done, they did it. Wasn't the dealer's fault that Rev. A & B didn't fix the clutch. Rev. C did. The water pump was done within 2.5 weeks. Not a SINGLE dealer had the impeller, a kit or any of the required parts in stock or available. I bought the only one on ebay as a backup at the time, but they (Gateway H-D) managed to get it there within a week and get the work done, engine rotation and all. As I recall, they fixed some other stuff (small oil leaks) I wasn't aware of while it was there, so they went above and beyond in my book. If I didn't like this bike, you bet your butt I'd have gotten rid of it. That said, I'm glad I got it when I did, I got to ride mine longer than you did and apparently I have less reservations about beating the snot out of mine. No, I don't ride mine like Jdugger does, but I do run it up to redline quite frequently. I'm not worried about blowing it up or whatever, I know it will get fixed if it does and I've a couple of good dealers I can use if needed. Even if H-D drops the ball when mine runs out of the warranty, I know I can call Erik Buell Racing and get damn near anything I need for mine. | ||
| Curve_carver |
I know what your saying fresno about badweb and HD. thats why jersey gave up the fight.He Knows that they can look up his account and find all kinds of stuff. I really think that this forum should withhold HD personal from our information now that harley beat up buell. (Message edited by Curve_carver on December 18, 2010) | ||
| Curve_carver |
How did suzuki handle that one engine recall? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
no one should be banned against being here just cause of where they work. I dont think its right for anyone to have a harder time for things they state on a messageboard. HD personel...we have some members of this board who are HD employees, what about them? Ft Bastard, is he bad for this group cause he works for a dealership? NO I am very surprised by this recall curious what comes of it, what the problem is. I do think that Kaw is handling it well, just recall them, give the money back and offer it to those people first when they are ready again. | ||
| Davegess |
I find it interesting that this is not a recall. No government involvement. This could mean several things; not a safety issue but perhaps the wrong spec got shipped to the USA and they can't be sold here, Not a safety related item, perhaps they have discovered a faulty part that would be embarrassing if let go, Perhaps so few have actually been delivered that it is a recallable issue but they think they can avoid the recall stigma and still keep bikes off the street. It is a very odd thing to do. | ||
| Skizzy |
Give up the argument carver, they won't listen no matter how much you try to reason with them. They will hound you until they piss you off then ban you. |
