| Author | Message | ||
     Rpm4x4 |
When I was on my last motorcycle trip I checked my oil at a stop and found it just below the low line. Nobody in town had Amsoil so I thought Id try adding some Lucas synthetic oil stabilizer. I only needed about 1/4 of a quart so I figured what harm could it do. The engine noise was instantly quieter. The more I rode it the more I noticed it is really a lot quieter. I just thought Id pass it on.  | ||
| Xb1200rick |
Sounds  like it might be worth a try Rick | ||
| Tbolt98 |
Would you say do a complete change with it or just substitute a half quart or so? | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
I dont think I would change the oil to it. I assume its just an additive. I think Ive put maybe 1/3 of the bottle in so far just as oil top off for the last 1500 miles or so. | ||
| Dannybuell |
That stuff is very heavy. Isn't it generally used by people with older cars that have worn engines and use oil. | ||
| Jsg4dfan |
"Very heavy" is an understatement. "Like warm peanut butter" would be a bit closer. I'm not a fan. According to Bob is the Oil Guy, analysis of unused samples shows it to be nothing more than a super thick base oil with zero additive package. I'm throwing the snake oil flag, myself... | ||
| 1_mike |
Jsg4d - Interesting comment. The Lucas company markets this as a cam "breakin" oil additive to a coupla car cam shaft manufacturers...! And per the cam manufacturers, if you don't use it...and the cam goes flat...you "don't" get a new cam. And I DO know from experience...it saved the engine in one of my cars a coupla years ago from failure. Long story I won't go into here. While I don't use it in my bikes, I do use it in my cars...that don't run synthetic oil. Mike | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
the stuff works. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I would never put that stuff in my motor. | ||
| 1_mike |
Fresno - I'd bet you woould...if you had a car/truck with a cam that the company uses the Lucas product as "break in" additive...! Mike | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Sounds like STP from the sixties revisited and it just might work as an extra slippery oil additive but I do not believe it will positively affect a badly abused engine. Bob | ||
| Dannybuell |
My S1 has had three top ends in 95,000 miles. When the top end is failing I know that I can keep the oil consumption tolerable with that stuff. Yes just like STP, Power Punch... | ||
| 01_turbowolf |
i wonder what that'll do to wet clutches. its basically a zinc additive for older style flat tappet cams because todays engine oil doesnt have zinc, or enough of it to keep older/aftermarket non-roller cams from flattening out. | ||
| Dannybuell |
01_turbowolf - wet clutches! | ||
| Bueller4ever |
You could use a 60 wt oil and it would run quieter as well. | ||
| Zac4mac |
And you'd lose 15-20%(WAG) power to parasitic internal friction? Good idea. I run Red Line 10W-40 and Loretta loves it. | ||
| Tbowdre |
I proposed in another oil thread some thoughts about mobil 1 V-Twin and its use in our water cooled high reving/high performance twin versus its target audience of air cooler low reving cruisers. so Im switching to mobil 1 MTX 10W-40.... kinda the opposite of adding a goo type substance such as the lucas syn stabilizer dunno if this is a good idea or not kinda like adding a random ground wire to the voltage regulator... i dont think it will hurt! YMMV todd | ||
| Jsg4dfan |
The unused analysis reports that I remember reading about showed ZERO additives of any kind, just oil. Really, really, stupendously, freakishly thick oil. No ZZDP (the zinc-based additive that is a very, very good thing and missing from a lot of oils today), no pour point depressants, no detergents, no calcium, nada. If I'm mistaken, I'll gladly retract in the name of accuracy, and thank you for the education. I'm always ready to learn. I'll admit it's been a while since I've been on BITOG. I looked for threads on the Lucas specifically because I have customers that believe in it, and I wanted to learn more. What I learned did not impress me at the time. For me, I'll avoid it. My view is that it dilutes your additive package and dramatically increases the viscosity of your oil. If it works for you, then buy it and be happy! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I just figure the mechanical noise of the engine is by design...I would be worried if I added something to the oil and it REALLY was measurably quieter | ||
| 01_turbowolf |
Oh wow nevermind I retract my statement. That's not the stuff I was thinkin about. it almost has the exact same label. I don't think the syn stuff could hurt | ||
| Metalrabbit |
Theres a Amsoil "High Zinc" formula in thery're automotive section. Its the Blue cap bottle and says its good for bikes. I used it early on and it did quiet things down some. But the real engine silencer came with the up-grade flash for my 09r at 10,000mi when the stator went out. Once the right spot on the tps was found the engine got unbelievably quieter. I did switch over to the M/C Amsoil 20/50 formula and along with a new Scorpion helmet, I'm in Heaben! | ||
| Mountainstorm |
You want the lowest viscosity oil possible. Oil does not become the right viscosity until it heats to approximately 225F. Bottom line is additives do not help. Good oil is all you want in that crankcase. Although counter-intuitive, the thinner the oil the better it's working to keep spinning parts from touching. Too thick and it does not get to all the areas it needs to protect. Again, counter to common sense, oil does not get thinner as it breaks down...it gets thicker. And finally one more weird fact about oil is that cold weather raises the viscosity index permanently: one great reason to keep your baby in an insulated garage that does not dip down to freezing in the Winter. And why you should change your oil in the Spring. | ||
| Bueller4ever |
The lower the viscosity, the weaker the film strength = less protection. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
WHAT? I'M SORRY, BETWEEN THE TINNITUS AND THE DRUMMER, I COULDN'T QUITE MAKE OUT WHAT YOU SAID. IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE ENGINE MAKES TOO MUCH NOISE, I THINK THAT THE SOLUTION MAY BE A LOUDER EXHAUST. <grin> R | ||
| Tbowdre |
LOL!!! pull the inner air box too. Man, the intake sounds mean when you open it up.... i know i know... I really start accelerating slowly after 100miles an hour todd | ||
| Chameleon |
I've mostly used Mobil1 Synthetic 20W-50 for V-Twins in my 1125R without issue. It has 61,000 miles so far and is running like a raped ape with the new targeted injectors put in last week. Really needs to be tuned* though because it's still on the stock ECM tune (with most recent flash). Tbowdre: I'd like to read your thread about Mobil 1. Please post the URL. Also, I agree with you about the sound of these bikes without the inner airbox... It's wicked awesome. Has more low-end torque, too... But yes, at the expense of high-end HP. *I need to study the latest developments in 1125R tuning. If anybody can help me in that department, I'm all ears; please email me. | ||
| Curve_carver |
If your engine is that noisy you should check your stator nut .09 &10 were netorious for loose stator nuts. | ||
| Xbniner |
Mine is crazy noisy, is there a link somewhere to how to check the stator nut? I don't have a service manual. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
.09 &10 were netorious for loose stator nuts. At the rate the stator are being replaced, it shouldn't be an issue long. | ||
| Chameleon |
Here ya go. 
Good point... Assuming the tech that R&Rs the stator torques the nut correctly... |
