| Author | Message | ||
     Thecowboyblack |
Just wanted it to be documented (again) here on StatorWeb, excuse me, I mean BadWeb... 3rd stator on the way for me. Stator 1 dead at @ 3k miles Stator 2 (installed same time as new harness) at @ 6k miles (waited for 3 months for backorder) Stator 3 being installed now at 8.8K miles Uggh... I have a 7 year extended warranty so I guess every 3k miles or so I'll be riding a different bike from the dealership around for a few weeks for the next 5 or 6 years... What a joke... Shame I love my CR so much... | ||
| Mac_inger |
Its all your fault for not riding the bike like it should be ridden. The harness fixes all those problems. /end sarcasm It is very surprising and disheartening that no one at ebr is actually making a statement...or offering a part that you can actually buy to fix the issue. I know its Harleys problem,..but i run a business too. I personally would stand behind my product and provide a fix. It all leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.. | ||
| Froggy |
They do. I plan on picking one up if the stator situation dosen't work out for me either. | ||
| Dannybuell |
The reason why EB nor any of his associates speak to this more constructively is? I hope the time will come when EB can address these shortcomings with some 'Urban Electric' kit. Froggy I am thinking 3 phase and RR relocation using mosfet along with additional oil supply to stator area. (Message edited by dannybuell on September 22, 2010) | ||
| Mac_inger |
Froggy,..is that a straight swap for the 09s ? And a documented fix ? If that is the case then problem solved. 500$ versus all this headache ? Ill gladly pay the 500. | ||
| Daggar |
Why not just have the stator rewound? Lots cheaper, I would think. | ||
| Jdugger |
> The reason why EB nor any of his associates speak to this more constructively is? Because there's not a problem on the race bikes. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
mac_inger, it is a fix, because the output of the 08 stator is only 420w, vs 540w of the 09 stator. The 08 stator does not generate as much power as the 09, therefore it does not heat up as much as the 09. Heat is believed to be the reason that the 09 stator fails Also, since the 08 generates less power, it is easier on the voltage regulator, which some people believe is part of the stator problem. From what i have gathered, the voltage regulator takes all of the power from the stator, and what the motorcycle doesn't use gets grounded. So since the 08 stator generates less power, it gives the voltage regulator less power to deal with. The draw back of the 08 stator is that you can't run a lot of accessories, especially at idle. Erik Buell Racing has not experienced this stator problem because the race bikes spend almost all of their time running at or near redline. At high rpms the stators run beautifully because there is more oil flow to sufficiently cool the stator. Also, i believe they run the 08 stators in their race bikes. | ||
| Jdugger |
> the race bikes spend almost all of their time running at or near redline. Totally false. You might be surprised at the amount of time the bikes are at mid-range RPMs. | ||
| Curve_carver |
Once again they have been running 08 stators since early 09 . Danny had stator failures and in one race he ran the battery to the end. They knew it was a inferior design but they still produced 09 bikes and put them on showroom floors for sale. I assume they'll offer a new regulator as soon as they sell off there 08 stator inventory. Lol I for one will not throw money at someone that knew all along. I would rather pay for a rewind or a used 08 setup. | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
Hey Mac, 08 stator needs 08 rotor. so you have to replace the rotor as well. | ||
| Jules |
If you go the rewind route will you be specifying a lower output (similar to the 08) or is the assumption that a reqound one may have better quality materials and therefor last longer? | ||
| Tpoppa |
}Because there's not a problem on the race bikes. Erik Buell Racing uses the 08 parts on the race bikes. It's been stated several times. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Moving forward is always better than a fall back. | ||
| Mac_inger |
See, this is why i'm asking if it is a confirmed fix. I guess you need the rotor too like Mortalcoil says. Daggar suggests rewinding,..but then what about the regulator that some people say is one of the breaking points? Or what output should one specify like Jules asks. We seem to have many good ideas and all makes sense, but which way to go? 1. rewind stator 2. change to mosfet regulator 3. 08 stator and rotor....(does ebr sell rotor?) 4. Mount computer fan on regulator, relocate regulator 5. Keep swapping stators and regulators until Harley gets tired and maybe develops a proper fix 6. and lets not even mention the : running with or without harness "fix" topic Were running around like headless chicken. Curve_Carver says Erik Buell Racing knows about the issue on their race bikes. Even if they didn't, they have heard about it on the street bikes we use. If i deliver a commercial or music video and we find out when airing on tv that there is some problem,...even if my client has payed and been done with finances, i would fix what was wrong. In my case of course for free. I'm not even thinking of asking Erik Buell Racing to fix smth like this for free, I know it was a different company. But these bikes are still EBs babies. We are the fans and supporters of his/the company's present and future endeavors. Turning a deaf ear and acting like nothing has happened is pretty lame imo. Not trying to be harsh on Erik Buell Racing but i know i cant expect anything from Harley anyway. Maybe its a question of legality with Harley and Erik Buell Racing cant make such a research/statement/fix. What do i know about that.... What i do know is were all trying here and a lot of people have come up with cool, logical solutions. Now which one of these solutions is the holy grail, tested and proven,...maybe coming straight from the pegasus' mouth (that would be nice) | ||
| Dannybuell |
Mac_inger -'Were running around like headless chicken.... ' I thoroughly agree, I have no idea what the correct answer is. Your reputation is the one thing you can make and lose on your own. In racing EB has a great reputation... HD could easily share with Rotax the responsibility of selling an engine that gets so hot that it is unable to preserve the electrical system within it. HD lawyers likely have EB gagged and their first priority is chasing copyright infringements. Those lawyers should also be chasing Rotax for a fix. HD-Rotax is turning a deaf ear and acting like nothing has happened, pretty lame imo. In a class action lawsuit the defendants would likely be HD-Bombardier-Rotax. Google merchantability and fitness. | ||
| Baggh |
Sorry to hear about your problems... can't say I am surprised though. I am soooo glad I am finished with the CR woes. Miss the power\looks\etc of the bike but I sure don't miss the problems. Even more so I don't miss how many on here justify the problems, make excuses for them, vehemently choose not to hold HD accountable, and even state that many are "riding the bike wrong"... good one on that last notion. Glad I held HD accountable, luv my new bike, and glad to be done with this. Good luck Thecowboyblack! | ||
| Froggy |
Why you still here then? Quit your trolling.
May be the fix, not proven yet.
May be the fix, not proven yet.
Definite fix. Not sure about the rotor.
Again not proven.
Thats what most are doing, but most are on the original stator or a replacement stator. Very few have had more than two failures on a single bike. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Turning a deaf ear and acting like nothing has happened is pretty lame imo. As much as it pains many to hear this, it really does Erik Buell Racing no good stir the pot with HD. HD allowed EB to make the race-only bikes and very well may be involved in the 1190RS. As it has been said, up until very recently Erik Buell Racing was a race-only shop and our street-related stator woes aren't really related. THe "Erik Buell abandoned me" sentiment that seems to be popping up, is very lame and DEAD wrong. | ||
| Baggh |
Froggy.. I luv the Buells, appreciate the riders of them, and currently still own my rock solid XB (so I am still a rider myself)... and am interested in 1125 news. Since you were wondering figured I'd explain. | ||
| Baggh |
+1 Fresnobuell... Buell didn't abandon anybody. HD is accountable for fixing and\or offering a solution. So I'd recommend either holding HD accountable or doing one of the many fixes recommended on this site... the one I was going to try was rewinding my stator. This seems to be the most recommended\cost efficient route that gets results. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
the one I was going to try was rewinding my stator. It would be nice to work with one vendor who knows what to do. It makes no sense for us all to reinvent the wheel on our own. I know this has been done already by some Badweb members--perhaps we can document who they used, what specs and ongoing results? Post-warranty I will be considering this option should be in the same position we are now. I don't run accessories and the '08 power specs meet my needs fine. | ||
| Mac_inger |
Froggy why do you say the 08 stator is a definite fix? I mean it makes sense, but how has it been documented ? Im wondering if changing stator/rotor to 08 voids warranty on our 09s. Fresno,..agree with your post about putting all this info in a coherent post with vendor links and so forth. , and that it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel. Thats why me earlier post on all the different solutions people are doing. Thats why also Froggy's post,..but lest expand on it and make it the "fix" thread. I do not agree however with your first post. I think the issues are definitely related,..as long as there is that same name on the tank. Im not taking shots at ebr, i own two Buells and love them to pieces. Only saying that it would be proper if they somehow responded to these issues. The last response that i heard was: "The harness will fix the issue, unless the stator has been damaged before. Keep bike at 5k rpm and above" Anecdotal experience from users in some cases shows otherwise. Second problem is that harness might save the stator but then it doesn't charge enough...im at 12.2 and even lower in traffic with brand new stator/regulator. As of right now,..im heading out the door to buy a KLR650 to commute on so i dont get stuck on the street possibly on my CR. (have over 40k miles on Firebolt and feel i need to give her a little rest : ) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
as long as there is that same name on the tank I am sure Erik Buell wants to help, but the fact is he is no longer a part of HD. He has no responsibility. That lies with HD. We don't know what restrictions HD has put on EB. We know EB is doing the politically correct thing and I believe it's a means to a better end, ie 1190RS. Erik Buell Racing is selling the 2008 stator--couldn't this be considered the solution? What exactly are you looking for? | ||
| Tpoppa |
The 1190RS will have a stator  I'm guessing it will be better than the 09 stator. | ||
| Mac_inger |
Fresno,..lets agree to disagree on some points  cheers} | ||
| Froggy |
Thats fine, its just that with posts like "loving the new bike, glad to have gotten rid of the 1125", it sounds like you are trolling and just trying to stir the pot. Needless to say, you aren't the first to do it, and you wouldn't be the first one we had to get rid of for nonsense BS posting like that.
The 08 charging system does not suffer the same issues as the 09 one. Retrofitting it will ultimately resolve the issue. *IF* the 09 stator does end up not being a long term solution for me, I will get the 08 one, but that will be after warranty expires. Till then, I'll let HD foot the bill.
If you read the owners manual, changing the exhaust can void your warranty. Essentially it can potentially prevent you from getting warranty work covered in the future, but honestly I don't think it will.
You want an example of poor factory support? The KLR650 has had a defective cam chain tensioner design for the last 20ish years. Kawi is not looking to fix it. At least when your stator goes, you can replace it and get back on the road. If the tensioner fails, you can ruin the motor. Be sure to do the "doohickey" fix once you get it! | ||
| Mac_inger |
Thats exactly what im asking in these threads Froggy. Everybody knows about the doohickey. Less then 100 bucks, tested and proven minor update that works. Im looking for the doohickey of 09 stators | ||
| Baggh |
Froggy... ... I never said... "glad to have gotten rid of the 1125"... because I am not... I wanted to keep it... I loved that bike and still do. I said that I am glad to be done with *this*... meaning the stress and headache of breaking down... possibly breaking down... etc. So you are seriously considering getting rid of me for posting something that in no way shape or form attacked or demeaned another rider or bike on this forum?!? I looked at your profile... from what I gather you have not had any problems with your 1125... thats awesome and you are very fortunate... I wish I could say the same. So those on here that have experienced problems and are relieved to be free of them (after MUCH effort to fix our problems) are to be deleted? I have always bit my tongue and been extremely tactful in the things i write... I attempted many times to refrain from personal attacks and always tried to be nothing but helpful to others experiencing problems... and this is what I get...? I am biting my tongue as I write this... ... whether you know it or not I am continuing to help other Buell riders with their problems... I just don't "troll" on these forums to share the info because... as I said in a previous post... I will only help those that want it. | ||
| Froggy |
You must of misread my post, I said we don't tolerate trolls, so don't be a troll. |
