| Author | Message | ||
     Freight_dog |
I just mounted my new Power Pure tires. The difference is big. Turn in is significantly easier, the bike steers MUCH lighter and it may have to do with the fact that I just came off of worn out tires, but they give the best cornering confidence I can remember. I have changed nothing from the recommended suspension setup. There are a couple of tight right handers on one of my favorite roads (Chagrin River Rd southbound) that always had me slowing my entry to stay within the double yellow. I was able to make both turns easily today without even touching the brakes. The only sort of negative is that the front end feels a little twitchy. I had no need for a steering damper with the Pirelli's, but I see either a damper or a serious slapper in my future. I see that the Pilot Power 2 CT's are popular probably due to the great deals available. I haven't tried those yet, but I can say with the Power Pure's your bike will HANDLE. | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
I had the power 2cts and went to pures since there are none left on the island. Either way you go they are awesome, but the pures are brilliant! | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I really like them too. First set of michelins, and I'm impressed. | ||
| Jdugger |
How old were the Corsas you took off and how many miles did they have on them? Fresh tires are really the only way you can do an A-B comparison worth a damn. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
I took my corsas off before they were even half tread and the difference was huge to the 2cts. I love the 2cts but Im going to try the Pures next go around. They sound nice. Im wondering what kind of mileage to expect though. Ive done well with the 2cts. | ||
| Jdugger |
And again, I ask, how old were the Corsas? Not 'how long did you have them', but 'how old were they?' If they were sitting around on the bike for 6+ months until you bought it, guess what... they aren't fresh, and it does make a difference. I've run times fast enough to hit the podium in a novice CMRA race on Corsa IIIs. The pure is a fine tire, but given two fresh sets of each, it's not some kind of dramatic improvement over the Corsa III. It's a comparable tire. Go by a FRESH set of Diablo Rosso Corsa, and a FRESH set of pure, put them on two bikes of the same make and configuration, and then for goodness sakes, TIME your results so you can measure objectively. Sometimes how it feels doesn't tell the story. I like my bike cushier, but I turn faster lap times with more high speed damping in the rear. | ||
| 1_mike |
As for the Pilot Pures - They are slower at the turn in thAn the Pilot Powers. While they are much stickier than most all street tires...the straight part of the grooves in the tread follow the grooves in the So. Cal. freeways...this I DON'T like. But I guess for the overall traction...I'll put up with the groove hunting. Mike | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
I dont know the production date as they are gone now. The bike is an 09 and they were off before the end of april 10. I dont think I had 2400 miles on them. My biggest complaint about the corsas are the long warmup. After warmup they had decent grip but by then I have lost my confidence. The second is that the bike seemed to fall into corners too easy. It was spooky. That could be rider error but I am way smoother with the 2cts | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
The problem with the corsa 3s isn't their age (if it was people would be complaining about grip), it's their profile. Comparing new Corsas to new 2cts and the 2cts will make the bike steer much more easily and neutrally even though both sets of tires may have comparable grip. | ||
| Freight_dog |
I had 3900 miles on my tires. It had been 10 months since the bike came off the showroom, plus the year since it was manufactured. I am not just basing my review on recent experience, I tried to compare against when the Pirelli's were zero miles. That is why I referred to how it has affected specific corner entries. However you are correct Jdugger, an immediate comparison would be more valid. Based on my experience, I am very happy with the Power Pures I am no Pirelli hater, but the Corsa III's are not a favorite tire among journalists either. I am looking forward to trying the Diablo Rosso Corsas. The reviews are pretty good. Maybe to be fair, I will wait until the Michelins are dead and then rave about how much better the Pirellis are.  | ||
| Jng1226 |
You guys are all wrong (he he). The Dunlop Q2 trumps the Pure, 2CT, whatever: http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/gallery/2010_08/ul timate/UMC_Tire%20Test_Aug10.pdf (2MB download) Q2's won the comparison test in both subjective and objective evaluations. There are pretty fast guys using these instead of race tires for track days now because the grip is only slightly less than full-race tires but they last forever and can be found for $200 per set delivered. | ||
| Freight_dog |
Good article Jng, thanks! It validated my observation that the Power Pures felt twitchy too. I think I will try the Dunlops next...  | ||
| 09_1125r |
Thanks for the link Jng1226. I've had my best track days running Dunlops, Pilot Powers didn't do it for me. So where can I get a set of Dunlop Q2 for $200? I need to order a new set ASAP. | ||
| Jdugger |
If you are getting 1500+ (street or track) miles out of a set of tires, you aren't within a continent of using the available traction anyway, so whatever you spoon on will do. Long warm up? No kidding... at that pace you will never get heat in the tires. The key to warming up a tire is to go out on the first lap and do HARD straight line acceleration, and HARD straight line braking the first few corners. Flex the tire. Then.... go at it. | ||
| Jng1226 |
Cycle Gear runs periodic specials for $199.99 for a 120/180 set, and one promotion just finished. Here is link to a WERA racing forum sponsor that has them for $209 shipped for a 120/180 set right now. I've got a set to try at the track, although I've only ever used Michelin race rubber on my MV track bike. I have been using Q2s for the last 1,000 miles and they are the best street tires I've ever used, stickier and more stable than the BT-016s I used last time. If you've seen any of my mountain riding YouTube videos I've posted here, you can see I ride them probably TOO hard for the street and never had a traction "moment". | ||
| 1_mike |
And we are all experts that can get 100% from a given tire....? One thing I wonder...did they experiment with tire pressures at all ? May try the Dunlops next time as long as they aren't steel belted. Mike | ||
| Jdugger |
> May try the Dunlops next time as long as they aren't steel belted. I have a good buddy that put a set on his clapped out Ducati 749 and then promptly embarrassed me at Barber a month ago. They certainly have some grip. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
If you are getting 1500+ (street or track) miles out of a set of tires, you aren't within a continent of using the available traction anyway, so whatever you spoon on will do. Long warm up? No kidding... at that pace you will never get heat in the tires. The key to warming up a tire is to go out on the first lap and do HARD straight line acceleration, and HARD straight line braking the first few corners. Flex the tire. Then.... go at it. No need to be condescending. I have no problem admitting that Im most likely not as good of a rider as you. That doesnt mean that my riding style/tire need is not relevant. Im not a racer and I dont have a track to warm up my tires on the way to work. I do find the time to rid my bikes of chicken strips but by no means a racer. Dont get me wrong Id love to do some track days and plan to do several next year. What I am looking for is the stickiest tire I can get 5K out of with a smooth predictable turn in. I would guess that 90% of this board falls into this category. | ||
| Freight_dog |
No need to be condescending. Oh Dude, that's Jduggers MO. Every post the guy makes is how your bike doesn't run right and it's YOUR fault because you don't beat the piss out of it, or you aren't fast enough to know good tires. Yeah, it gets old. | ||
| Cherry_bomb |
"What I am looking for is the stickiest tire I can get 5K out of with a smooth predictable turn in. I would guess that 90% of this board falls into this category." try the continental road attack2. you should get a lot of miles out of it and it's the best tire (allday) i tested so far. i do a lot of aggressive riding in the swiss-alps here. i've never had any loss of grip whatsoever...they wouldn't be good on the track. you'll destroy every touring-sport/sport-tire on a real track-day. they're not made for this high-temps. that's why they all use compound-tires...the 2ct's are the worst tires, michelin ever made. i wasn't happy with the power pure, it's definitly to light for that aggressive suspension and geometry of the bike. no feel for the front wheel. i recommend you the conti! perfect tires for every-day-riders. | ||
| Jdugger |
The thing is, I'm actually pretty dang slow in the grand scheme of things. At my first race weekend I was decidedly lower half of the novice racers in Superbike B and A, and managed a 3rd in HWTwins, a whopping 4 seconds PER LAP slower at my own him track than the winner. Mind you, that's a solid 16+ seconds off the track record .. PER LAP! I'm not trying to be condescending. It's just a fact, that if you are riding tires like the pure, 2ct, DC3, Q2 and so on, and then getting 1500+ miles out of them, you aren't riding very hard and they WILL ALL provide good traction and service you well provided they aren't old or have been in the sun so long they have hardened and started to dry rot. Run them at the recommended pressures and don't worry about it. 5K is a ridiculous amount of mileage to expect from a "track day" type tire. Look at a sport touring type tire instead where the intent of the tire is a compromise between all out grip and longevity. I'm sorry that pisses you off but it is the truth. | ||
| Jng1226 |
Mileage is affected by so many factors its nearly impossible to predict individual mileage based on another individual's experience. Road surface, weight, aggressiveness, average speed, straight/curvy road ratio not to mention riding style and g-loading (braking, accelerating,cornering) are all things to consider. Based on how you describe yourself and what is important, you may want consider the new dual-compound sport touring tires like Dunlop Roadsmart, Michelin Pilot Road 2 or Pirelli Angel. Supposedly they have sticky compounds on the shoulders but an even longer-wearing center compound, with sipe designs that evacuate water much better than "supersport" tires that are clearly focused on dry traction. Those tires may get you even more than 5K. You are mainly going to be worried about the center tread because in the riding you describe you will never wear out the sides. Look around at sites like motorcycle-usa.com and the magazines that have done these different tire comparisons. | ||
| Rt_performance |
Jdugger are you sponsored by Pirelli or something??? Guessing 90% of all badweb doesn't do track days. I have a set pure powers i just road off got 6k miles out of them. Thats very little super slab. 1 track day, 2k weekend from asheville nc to harrisville wv (all 2 lane mostly mountain passes.) I barely got 3k out of the stock corsa iii's yup the pures have more grip than the stock ones. Not sure if bikes are like cars the factory installed goodyear's per say will go 15k . Buy the same tire from a tire shop and it goes 40k My xb has dunlop roadsmart's a great tire for that bike and the rear went 10k with super slab and mountain riding. I like the pures and have a set waiting to be put on once i get time. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Jdugger are you sponsored by Pirelli or something??? I wish. Maybe I could cut into my tire bill some. I've got a set of Pures on the street bike now, and I'll admit I'm getting surprising mileage out of them. I think they have nearly 800 miles and there's half a tire left! I'm going to risk it by going up to Arkansas this weekend with a half-tire and see how they hold up. I might well get close to 1,400 miles out of them. I ran a set on the track, though, and they aren't that great -- just a typical sport tire. The front is either too squishy or it chatters once you put more air in it. The rear isn't close to having the same traction. A buddy followed me around and confirmed I was leaving darkies all over the place. The tire spun up too easily. I'm way faster on the Corsa III. | ||
| Freight_dog |
I've got a set of Pures on the street bike now, and I'll admit I'm getting surprising mileage out of them. I think they have nearly 800 miles and there's half a tire left! I'm going to risk it by going up to Arkansas this weekend with a half-tire and see how they hold up. I might well get close to 1,400 miles out of them. I ran a set on the track, though, and they aren't that great -- just a typical sport tire. The front is either too squishy or it chatters once you put more air in it. The rear isn't close to having the same traction. A buddy followed me around and confirmed I was leaving darkies all over the place. The tire spun up too easily. I'm way faster on the Corsa III. Something like this would have been a much more useful initial response than demanding to know how old the tires are and then insisting people don't know what they are talking about because they don't burn through a set of tires in a thousand miles. Maybe the problem with the 1125 Board is there is no internerd etiquette school. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
It's hard to generalize about tire wear, or predict how long they are supposed to last. I keep hearing people say they got 5000 even 7000 out of Corsas or 2CTs and I just don't see how. I think it depends a great deal on exactly how you ride...and there is no way that everyone is going to ride the same. | ||
| Freight_dog |
So where can I get a set of Dunlop Q2 for $200? I need to order a new set ASAP. Just found this: http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no =7780 $209 shipped. | ||
| Clk92vette |
I managed 3500 miles out of my rear Corsa III until the steel belts were shining. Unfortunately 90% of my riding is back and forth to work which has a grand total of two significant corners. Short of weaving through invisible cones down the Ohio Turnpike, I have no chance of using any significant amount of the shoulder tread on my tires. I purchases a Corsa III through JCMotors online for $150 + freight since my front still has a decent anmount of tread left. I would really like to find a set of tires that had a much thicker/harder compound in the center. | ||
| Crowley |
1 mike, I use 28R 30F on the Qually2 on my track Yamaha, and the same for the new SportSmart on my Ducati. These seem fine for the track and warm very quickly, the downside being, they cool quickly too - I've measured this . The only difference is the S/M is lasting better. The Racetechs on my other bike don't last anywhere near as long as the Dunlops. | ||
| Rt_performance |
clk92vette. Get dunlop road smarts or mich pilot roads 2ct's the center compound is hard softer shoulders i got 10k out of a rear on my xb9 and still on the same front | ||
| Dannybuell |
Jdugger -"The key to warming up a tire is to go out... and do HARD straight line acceleration, and HARD straight line braking ... Flex the tire." That is a great tip! THX | ||
| Jdugger |
Can't take credit for it... the Pirelli race dealer down here taught me that. Works way better than "side to side" ever did. A couple of WOT pulls and a couple of hard stops and they tires are ready to go. | ||
| 09_1125r |
Thanks Freight_dog, you da man. Just bought a set from your link. | ||
| Freight_dog |
Welcome!  |
