| Author | Message | ||
     Motorhead102482 |
I was looking at BRAKING's website, and they list front and rear wave rotors. Has anyone tried these. I found some places where people had put them on their xbs. | ||
| Froggy |
They are fantastic  | ||
| Motorhead102482 |
Is it a nice improvement over stock? i don't really have much of a problem with my front brakes, but the rear brake really takes a lot of effort to get some stop out of it. I've never had a rear brake on a motorcycle so hard to use. It has no feel whatsoever. | ||
| Guard_rail |
+1 motorhead. The rear brake does the 1 thing my wife won't......it SUCKS. But I still love my wife. I mean bike  | ||
| Froggy |
I can lock up my stock rear brakes no problem, I recommend you break them in per instructions in the owners manual. I did it for the looks, not any performance benefit, I can't out-ride the stock setup. | ||
| Cherry_bomb |
i've got them on my xb12ss (ztl). massive improvement over stock disc. but don't use their pads. i've had massive wear. use sinter-pads (ebc). on the 1125, i've got the ebr 5mm-finned-rotor with ebr-mount. that's even better with ztl2. | ||
| Mark_1 |
Cherry, do you mean you like the ebr 5mm over the wave? thanks | ||
| Cherry_bomb |
yes i do...the waves are eating my pads...the ebr rotor with ebr mounting kit is better...better feel for the lever...awesome stopping power... | ||
| 1125rz |
luv the braking rotors & pads.have harder brake lever & stopps great.hope this pic works  | ||
| Jdugger |
As a front rotor, the wave is likely to give you somewhat less stopping power, and certainly wouldn't be suitable for track use as it will tend to get too hot and not be able to dissipate the heat as well. They look cool, but don't perform so well in track day applications. Lighter rotors mean less unsprung weight. I'd certainly use them if they worked. Now, on the rear, hell yes, lighter rotors make a lot of sense -- you don't need much rear brake at all to slide and lock up the rear wheel when under heavy front brake pressure. And, that one above does look cool! | ||
| Chameleon |
My original OEM front rotor warped pretty bad and I was able to get a new rotor, pads & pins under warranty at about 7,000 miles. I tried the BRAKING wave rotors front & rear when the replacement front rotor warped again and they wouldn't warranty it. I only replaced the rear rotor so they would match. I found only a slight benefit from the BRAKING rotors, other than appearance. The front rotor did eventually warp again, but seemed to last a little longer than the factory rotor before warping. I'm now using the newer design OEM rotor which provides better feel and seems to be lasting a lot longer than the others. I've got over 10,000 miles on it so far and it feels just as good as the first day I had it on; no hint of warping. I've typically stuck with the Lyndall Gold+ pads available from American Sport Bike. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I *think* some people might be mistaking pulsating as warping and often times it's just buildup on the rotor. The front rotor is pretty stout and takes some real abuse to warp. I made the same mistake and the dealer cleaned the rotor and all was good after that. I have been meaning to ask the dealer how they cleaned the rotor as I did everything including taking a disc hone to the damn thing and couldn't get it clean. | ||
| Chameleon |
It's quite possible as I've only been riding for 3 years, 1 month and 20 days... However, I've experienced this over the last 66,000 miles on both my 1125R & my wife's V-Rod (that I put half the miles on). I would be *VERY* interested to know of a way to remedy this short of replacing the rotors because they get expensive. I don't remember experiencing any rotor trouble on my XB12R, but that's probably because I only put 5,000 miles on it before totaling it. | ||
| Jdugger |
If your rotor isn't black, blue, purple, gold, and basically EVERY color BUT silver, they aren't warped. Because mine *are* that beat up, and they have never heat warped. I wear out rotors where the drive bushings contact the flange. | ||
| Pizzaboy |
i have all of the above colors practically on my rotor depending on where youre looking, and its all from heat cycles thanks for riding at a faster pace, braking harder and switching to the EBC HH pads. i love the braking power. my bike does stoppies on command. ** and brake feel is still very linear, my rotor is not warped after 20k miles street/track mixed (Message edited by pizzaboy on August 31, 2010) | ||
| Zac4mac |
Until somebody shows a picture of a feeler gauge between a rotor and a granite flat-plate I won't believe ANY of the warped rotor blues. It's ALL build-up IMO. Someone prove me wrong with photos. Zack | ||
| Froggy |
I agree 100% Zac. | ||
| Jens |
I can post you some pics of a waverotor from a well known company that may brake-a-king on other bikes. On the 1125 with that power it just open the slot were the floaters are located, after 1 day on the track. An 1125 is not an XB. | ||
| Chameleon |
I don't have pictures since it was so long ago, but when my first rotor warped, the dealer did measure it and it was warped enough that they replaced it all under warranty. The next two rotors felt the same way eventually. The consensus we came to as to why my rotors were warping to much/fast is because I ride year round in all weather including rain and snow (as long as there's no ice) and that the cold/wet water made the rotors have uneven hot and cold spots with rapid cooling which lead to them getting warped. My 1125R is the 3rd bike back on the left. This was taken at Mt St Helens.  | ||
| Mark_1 |
Jens are you saying the wave rotors work better on xb's? thanks | ||
| Motorhead102482 |
I'm not really getting what you're saying Jens. Could you please explain better? | ||
| Jens |
We used that waverotors years ago with the 6 potcalipers with good results on the ractrack. Later on the 1125 R we tried it again and the steel at the floaterslot was bending to a V. Itīs a difference if you brake from 265 kmh or from 225 and its a difference if you do that with the 6p or the 8p caliper. What I can say is, that these discs donīt work in the combination 1125 - <<nissin racepads - racetires. If you talk stopping not optic use the 5mm finned Erik Buell Racing rotor, we raced some the full season, no end to see. (Message edited by Jens on September 01, 2010) | ||
| Westmoorenerd |
I'm still as confused as ever.... | ||
| Xbud |
LOL - I think he is using some translation software, Duetsch to English | ||
| Trojan |
As a front rotor, the wave is likely to give you somewhat less stopping power, and certainly wouldn't be suitable for track use as it will tend to get too hot and not be able to dissipate the heat as well. They look cool, but don't perform so well in track day applications. I have never read so much ill informed rubbish, even on an internet forum!! Wave pattern discs run cooler than stock discs and work extremely well on track (far far better than the stock Buell brake disc that's for sure!). Braking power isn't attributable to the disc at all, so power will be the same regardless of disc fitted. However you will get MUCH less brake fade because these dissipate heat far better than solid type stock discs. As a bonus they also work much better in wet conditions as they dissipate water faster too These type of discs have been proven time and again in all levels of competition up to and including WSB and 250GP, and I have been using Braking wave pattern discs since they were introduced and have used them on all of my road and race bikes for years (both Buell and other models/makes). I would invariably fit one of these in preference to an OEM brake disc without any hesitation at all. Jens makes the point regarding the front rotor maybe not being up to the task of stopping the 1190 race bike. I think for extreme race use such as he is doing this may be true when using slick tyres and race pads/calipers etc, but for general road use I have never seen any problems on either the 1125 or XB models, and Braking certainly wouldn't sell it if there were any know problems of this kind simply because of potential liability issues. ALTH offer a thicker wave pattern rotor that may be more suitable for extreme race use in addition to the Erik Buell Racing version. As for the original question as to whether fitting a wave rear disc will improve your rear brake? No it won't. The rear brake is just weak and appears to be a mismatch of the master cylinder and caliper, so no amounty of fiddling is likely to improve it I'm afraid  | ||
| Jens |
Short and qick. FROM THE RACETRACK: The BRAKING front brake WAVErotor worked FINE on the XB with the ZTL caliper and I agree with Matt: better than the OEM rotor at that time (2003 and later). The BRAKING front brake WAVErotor worked NOT on an 1125 R with the ZTLē caliper. YES, Matt is right we use Slicks and racepads. NO, I have no idea if the BRAKINGrotor work with the 1125 on the road, whatever "road" is. YES, my experience with the finned Erik Buell Racing rotor is great and better than with the Brakingrotor. BUT, the Erik Buell Racing dont look as cool as the BRAKING. Done... | ||
| Jdugger |
Trojan, I've used the wave rotor you see on Ebay all the time. I was excited about it because of the low weight. Let me assure you, it does not work well in race applications. The 5mm finned Erik Buell Racing rotor is much more durable. I could well be wrong on *why* they don't work well exactly, but in my case it got so hot it caused brake fade, where the 5mm finned is much more capable of handling the heat. (there's a lot more material in the 5mm rotor, too.) Example of the one I had: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buell-XB-1125R-Brak ing-Front-Wave-Rotor-1710-0269-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ hashZitem5adb91a195QQitemZ390230811029QQptZMotorcy clesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_1912wt_1166 | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
jdugger- that one sure looks cool when yours went all wonky were you on the track? or was that street riding? | ||
| Jdugger |
Track. I'm sure they are fine for street use, even relatively aggressive street use. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i figured that but wanted to ask for clarity i havent done nor will i likely ever do a track day on mine and honestly ride lightly so for me it really would be about looking cool |
