| Author | Message | ||
     Thefleshrocket |
I recently swapped out my Corsa IIIs for a set of Pilot Power 2CTs. The rear Corsa was beginning to show cord at 2400 miles so I took the opportunity to replace the front and rear. (I'm one of those people that doesn't like mixing and matching bike rubber.) The 2CTs steer much more lightly than the Corsas both at low and high speeds. Turn-in requires less effort and is more linear. A light push on the inside clipon initiates a turn and maintaining that light effort keeps the bike on track. I won't say that my 1125 feels as flickable as a 600 but it's a lot closer to that than it was before. Another thing I noticed is the chicken strips, or lack thereof. On my Corsas, the rear had around 1/4"-1/3" of chicken strip despite what felt like some pretty good lean angles during backroads riding. After just commuting with the 2CTs, my chicken strips are down to 1/2" or less--almost the same as what I had with the Corsas. Now you might think that means that the 2CTs can't hit as aggressive of lean angles as the Corsas, but the 2CTs are rated to 51 degrees of lean which is more than I'll ever hit on the street and probably more than I'd even use railing around a track. In all honesty, had I known how much better the 2CTs were going to feel compared to the Corsas, I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to adjust my 1125's geometry to make it feel better. The 2CTs have made a much bigger improvement than all of my suspension tweaking while using the Corsas. | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
Agreed. I love the PP 2CTs I put on about 500 miles ago. All the observations you made I noticed as well on the first trip out. | ||
| Froggy |
Just about any fresh tire will feel better than any worn out tire. Just my own observation. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Very true, Froggy, and admittedly I'm comparing a new set of 2CTs to a shagged set of Corsa IIIs. Well, I take that back.. the rear Corsa was shagged. The front still had plenty of meat left on it and its profile was pretty much the same as it was when new. I changed the rear first and then rode the bike to work the next day. There was a noticeable improvement after just changing the rear to a 2CT even with the Corsa still up front. But changing the front to a 2CT was at least as big of an improvement as changing just the rear, if not moreso. I know my 1125 wasn't anywhere near flickable even when the Corsas were brand new, so even someone who has an 1125 with fresh Corsas should still notice an improvement replacing them with 2CTs. | ||
| Jjk |
I am in the vast minority when I say this, but the Corsa 3s were not good tires on my CR. I've run all sorts of different tires on my bikes, from Dunlop Qualifiers to Bridgestone 016s, and the Pirellis were by far my least favorite. Even on warm days with plenty of warmup on the tires, with 34psi in the rear tire I could spin it at will when leaned over in 3rd gear. They never had anywhere near the grip of the 016s for instance. I tried softening the suspension and lower air pressures but never could find a setup that gave me good traction from the rear or confidence in the front tire. I am a fairly aggressive back road rider and they just gave me zero confidence when heeled over. Maybe I got a bad set? With the pricing deals around for the Power 2cts I am very tempted to try them out so thank you for the review. | ||
| Brumbear |
I just put a Rosso on the rear 800 miles ago they feel exactly the same corsa III and Rosso. | ||
| Andros |
yeh, i agreed. the pirellis werent really doing it for me. pilot power pures are an amazing substitute. best upgrade so far. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Best thing I ever did to both of my Buells was put Pilot Power 2cts on them. I hear ya Froggy but Its waaaaay more than that. I usually get 8K out of my 2cts and my 1125 looks to be on par for that as well. I took my corsaIIIs off my 1125 early Because I hated them so much. The Corsa takes forever to warm up and by then Ive lost my confidence. | ||
| Bosshound |
I have allways run PP2cts on my BUSA and it made all the Differance in the World. When the CORSAS are done..............PP2cts are Next !!! Unless i get a good Deal on some B16 | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I have to agree that the PP 2CT are head and shoulders above the Pirellis. I am on my second set of Michelins now and could not be happier with the handling and the tread life. Anyone that argues against this without having tried Michelins on their bike is just being ornery. | ||
| Jredx1 |
I have been looking at the Metzeler Sportec M5s for a while now, giving serious thought throwing a set of them on after I roast my Pirellis. I loved the M3s I had on my X1. Does anyone have any experience with the M5s? | ||
| Puredrive |
Jredx1 I have a buddy that used Metzeler tires on his R1 after the 2CTs wore down. He said that they were sticky. I personally don't have any experience with them. | ||
| Pdccd |
I've put these on my XB12ss and noticed exactly what you did, in fact, from time to time when i leave the 1125r home and take the Xb out i'm always amazed at how much more flickable and confident i am on the 2ct's. It lays over so much smoother and seems effortless to keep there. And that's two bikes with similar miles on the tires. I'm just sayin  Almost looking forward to wearing out the Pirellis so I can get the 1125 some 2ct's. | ||
| Jdugger |
The 2CTs are good tires. I've run a few sets of them on the street. The turn in is quicker, for sure. Maybe a bit to quick for a tight track, but nice on the street. They perform well and last about as long, maybe a titch less than Corsa III. And, they are DIRT CHEAP right now; I've seen as low as $175 delivered. I can't run the same laptimes on the 2CT or Pure as I can Corsa III. The tire is several seconds slower for me -- it just doesn't have the same grip levels or front confidence for me, and wouldn't be my first choice for a track day tire. But for street, it's a really decent choice, and I can totally understand someone having a preference for them. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
+100 on the Pilot series. I used to run the Conti RoadAttack for the same reason. much more triangulated. I just love the way the bike feels with that type of profile tire. I have noticed the 2ct's lasting a lot longer than the roadattacks. I have a power pure in my garage waiting to replace the 2ct rear when it's time. R | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I too swapped over the Michelin PP 2CT's since my rear (center) was toast at 2,100 miles ... And I did so because of the price. F/R set delivered to my door for $180 - I'm in. I'm not sportbike literate enough yet to really do an objective comparison, but I do like the ride of the these. Perhaps it's mental, but I felt more confident on the OEM Corsa. Or maybe I'm just pushing it harder and going faster now after getting a couple of K under my belt. Hard to imagine ever going back to H-D big twins ... This bike is just too much fun. Mike | ||
| Puredrive |
Whose got the sale price for the Michelin PP 2CT's? I think there was a deal for our size for about 200 bucks shipped | ||
| Tpoppa |
New tires always feel better than the worn out ones they replaced  | ||
| Pa1125r |
I just ordered a pair of 2CT's from jakewilson.com for $199 discount code JW009. | ||
| Highlander51 |
So I switched out tires to the 2CT's and went up to my little test canyon near by, and I'm shocked how much better the bike handles in tight twisty stuff. I've been messing with the suspension set up for a month trying to get the bike to turn in better and stay neutral through a corner, but changing out tires cured the heavy feel more than anything I adjusted. I wish I would have done this along time ago. The stock tires may work good on race tracks with fast sweepers, but no contest for street use. | ||
| Cowboytutt |
Thanks for the referal to Jakewilson.com. I was able to purchase the tires for the same price! Thanks Man! -Tutt | ||
| 01lightning |
i have not tried the michelins, I have the stock corsa III on the front and a diablo super rossi on the rear. My corsa III rear did wear out pretty fast but I liked the tire. The Diablo Super Rossi is a sick tire, kicks major ass on the track. Just as a comparison, the last time I was at the track, I met a guy with an 1125r with the pc2s on. His tires were shredding on the edges and had all sorts of rubber ball buildup on them so I figured he was ripping it up out there. My Pirellis looked like I was just riding on the street compared to his. When I finally got on the track with him, I blew by him around the outside of a high speed corner then lapped him. This is by no means a bash on him or a ' hey look at me' post(he was a super nice guy too)- just saying my tires looked great at the end of the session and his were toast-that plus the fact that I was way way harder on the tires cemented my faith in the Pirellis. just an observation. | ||
| Cowboytutt |
I'm sure your right for track use. For me, in Northern Cal where I live, its pretty cool in the fall, winter and spring and the roads don't get very warm. I've had a hard time getting the stock Pirellis' to heat up and they have never been very confidence inspiring at brisk street speeds. Also, most of all the curvy roads are 20-30 mph turns around here (poor me!). So, I think the Michelin 2cts are going to be a really good street tire for me. They just arrived today. -Tutt | ||
| 01lightning |
Pirelli Diablo Super CORSA not super rossi, sorry my brain is a lil fried from the road- was out with my band for a week. And to be clear I'm not saying the Pirellis are better than the michelins, since i never tried the michelins, just making an observation since it fit the thread. I do have to say it was super hot that day at the track(like over 100) so the heating up issue you speak of would not have come into play-although thats not the first time I've heard that about the diablos. | ||
| Cowboytutt |
Lightning, I'm not disagreeing with you still about track use. I think the Michelin 2CTs may be too soft for that application. I don't have any race track experience, I'm just a "go fast" street rider on very tight, cold roads, and trying to get the best traction I can for the roads and speeds up here. Everything in engineering is some sort of compromise, not a defect, and everything has it place. Hopefully, the 2CT's will prove to be a good tire for my application. God Bless, -Tutt | ||
| Eece_ret |
I've ridden primarily the following tires.. Perelli Super Corsa/CorsaIII's, Dunlop Quali's, Mich pp & pp2ct, Bridgestone BT016's, BT021's Miles accumulated on FZ1, 954RR, 1125CR, all miles were a mixture of track, aggressive street, and commute. The Michelin PP's take the cake in all areas. The Perelli Corsa III's lasted a decent stretch for such a soft tire. They feel like they have loads of grip but the profile and feedback were not my cup of tea. Sometimes soft like low on air, but everything always checked out... They just never inspired confidence. The Supercorsa had un deniable grip, decent profile, but didn't last long at all (duh...) The Bridgestones were good. Very reminiscent of the Perelli's in feel grip etc. The Quali's were cheap but simply DO NOT last. My last set was SHREDDED after 2400 miles... and I mean SHREDDED (threads coming through all the way round... really bad) Never really liked the feedback either, kinda wallowed and was vague from time to time, just not my taste. Grip and performance were alright, they just never clicked for me and I really tried (on my fourth set on the FZ, the replacement cycle is killing all savings and its a pain in the ass to keep swapping rubber every 2000 miles or so) Then there is the PP and PP2ct. Can't say enough good things. Long life, great price, and a profile the makes the bike behave and feel in a way that my brain really likes. YMMV (Message edited by eece_ret on August 05, 2010) | ||
| Cowboytutt |
Mounted mine last night and spent a day riding on them on some of the best local roads. I'm VERY happy with the traction and quick handling they provide. -Tutt | ||
| Eagle1 |
I'll have to look into them. I had an incident back in November on cold, wet roads with the Corsa's and haven't gotten my confidence back yet. Even with warm roads, I'm still worried that I'm gonna go down again. My front is just about ready to get replaced, but I think I have another 3K on the rear. Hmmm, what to do... | ||
| Cowboytutt |
Hi Eagle, I had a nice long chat with my friend Chase McFarland who is a recent AMA Pro racer and he also felt the Corsa IIIs lacked confidence-inspiring traction on the street. We are not totally sure why. I went for yet another day ride today on the 2CT's, and have another planned tomorrow with a friend, but so far my opinion remains unchanged. They are a very good street tire, but probably less so for the track as speeds and temps are far higher. Just my own opinion. If you ride really hard and have no "chicken strips" on your tires at all, as some riders I met up with yesterday who passed me on Skaggs Springs Rd. in Cloverdale, CA, then perhaps they will be too soft as well. But if your one of those guys, you need to be on a race track, not the street. These guys were in complete denial of the risks involved, of the logging trucks who use the road, of the many miles of armco barriers awaiting them if they slid out. I was already doing 60 in a 30-35 mph zone of turns and they passed me like my ignition had cut out. They told me later they were doing 70. Fine most of the time, maybe, but an accident waiting to happen if you ask me. Most of the turns are blind and at those speeds your already commiting a felony (as was I, I just hope to live a bit longer) -Tutt | ||
| Highlander51 |
Tutt, I totally agree with you on the street racing thing. I've spent years on race tracks with bikes, and the street scares the heck out of me. I still ride fairly fast in the canyons here in SoCal, but never more than 7\10 ths. Last weekend on the Angeles crest I waved some riders around me that were really haul'n. About a half mile up from where they passed me a rider was down. The guy slid out and was pitched over the side of a cliff from his bike. He did not survive. |
