| Author | Message | ||
     Ultimo_justin |
I could bet that if Ezblast and Milt pulled out your guys stators you would see them fried. As I had my doubts as well, I had the feeling it was my Voltage Regulator but after replacing that and seeing no change in my volts getting better, and with the dealership giving me the finger, I had to take matters into my own hands, pulled the stator and sure enough...fried. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Why did the dealer give you the finger? ac | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
Damnit ... I think my stator is going. Peaked at 13.5 V on the way home, but hangs out between 12.9 - 13.3 V depending on engine speed. Battery light also comes on periodically after I turn the ignition on or off. I thought I was a lucky one that got the harness early enough to avoid damage ... guess not. With stators backordered until who knows when ... ugh. AND they have to redo the clutch seals. They fixed it once but it's leaking again not 500 miles later. Yay me. | ||
| 07xb12ss |
According to my dealer stators are on backorder until the 16th and they will get it on the 20th. I'm getting far to use to driving the cage  | ||
| Zac4mac |
I was looking at the 08 and 09 parts books today. Pretty sure all I saw different was the stator and screws. Same regulator and all. I have no problems with my 08, electrically. Could an 09 take the 08 stator and be reliable? Seems the 09 stator was a reaction to complaints of inadequate charging systems. I have HID lo-beams and use my heated grips often and still have the OEM battery and charging system with 25k miles. Just an idea... Zack | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
zac no theres another thread here discussing the charging system and as you point out the r/r is the same but they put a higher rated stator in so they are being burnt up and burning out the r/r as well what needs to be done is keep the 09 stator and get a higher rated r/r | ||
| Avc8130 |
Zac, From what I can see the rotor is referred to as the "flywheel w/ hub". 2008 Y0533.1AM 2009 Y0533.2AM I would think you would have to swap that too. ac | ||
| Froggy |
The 08 stator DOES retrofit. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Froggy, Any other parts necessary to swap? ac | ||
| Froggy |
I got this via PM
I replied with:
And got this back:
Obviously I didn't try this myself, but this is from a good source. | ||
| J2blue |
Yes, yes. good to know. My stator failed last evening near the end of a great ride... 26 miles from the hotel. Another rider's AMA card came in handy to get the bike to the hotel. My next question is will they provide the '08 stator as a fix under warranty? | ||
| Tpoppa |
I also know some who is using the 08 stator/rotor on an 09 with good results. The only other part you need is the seal. | ||
| Zac4mac |
That would make sense, Tony, to keep them a paired-set. Boogiman - I'd rather change some wires than a bunch of ICs that are more prone to isolated failures, but that's me. I like things simple. BTW, this is a thread about stators, not RRs. Z | ||
| Ezblast |
This is great news! EZ | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
zac these r/r's are a known great quality and you can't talk about the one without thinking about the other. Z- if you want i'll swap you. i'd love the additional 100W (Message edited by boogiman1981 on July 12, 2010) | ||
| Zac4mac |
??? I have an 08, early one at that. I said I haven't had any trouble with mine and wondered if it might be a good fix for 09+ bikes to use the original alternator. If a different regulator works with the 09 stator/rotor, that's a bonus solution, but functionality is unproven. The 08 set-up is a known. Just trying to keep a few more Buells on the road and out of the shop. Z | ||
| Froggy |
I don't think the regulator is the issue. Being that the issue is with getting hot at lower RPMs, below the maximum output of even the 08 charging system. No issue on the race bikes, which constantly are at or near redline, and have no lights or other electrics to share the load with the regulator. | ||
| Tpoppa |
I agree that without lights the the regulator has more load. Which stator/rotor are the race bikes using? are they using a stock regulator & charging system? | ||
| Froggy |
While I haven't asked Erik Buell Racing, I do believe the race bikes use the stock regulator. | ||
| Eweaver |
I know the '09 stators are a PITA, but the '08s had there own challenges. During the summer in Los Angeles, I could hardly keep my '08 charged in city driving environments. A stop to get a bite eat, a few moments of low rpm at a traffic light, and the fans running like mad, and BOOM I was stranded. I know these circumstances don't apply to everyone, but keep in mind that there was a reason the '08 stators were not on the '09s. I don't need flames about what the bike was or was not designed to do. I'm just trying to throw out a yellow flag as a reminder that the grass typically isn't greener on the other side. However, I'm sure this "fix" will work for some people. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i haven't been stranded yet due to the drain while in traffic however i have seen it dip to 11.8v on the IC so i am pretty sure i wasn't to far from it. i did get stranded by a toasted r/r in a hotel once thankfully just a few miles from a dealer that was good enough to take one off of a show room bike to get me rolling again. | ||
| Froggy |
Eweaver, I have both an 08 and 09, my 08 hasn't stranded me, and the only time I ever had a "issue" was running heated gear with the engine off causing the battery light to come on. Other than that its been flawless. I know you don't want comments about what its designed to do/not do, but it definitely shouldn't be doing that. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Which stator/rotor are the race bikes using? are they using a stock regulator & charging system? Bone stock. They just don't go around town lugging the motor at 2k RPM, and consequently, there's no issue. Keep it above 5k most of the time, and you most likely won't have stator problems. For what it's worth, I used to ride in the cold a lot and wore electric gear on many, many, many rides and never had a single issue. Really, it's all about the revs. Quit lugging the motor, and there's not an issue. It runs best is the middle of it's RPM range, anyway. (Message edited by jdugger on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Reepicheep |
So maybe the 08 stator with that switching regulator would work well... Or just a rewound / more durable 09 stator. | ||
| Tpoppa |
For what it's worth, I used to ride in the cold a lot and wore electric gear on many, many, many rides and never had a single issue. Is that pre harness upgrade? If so, that is really the best case scenario for the charging system. The stator is always producing at full capacity (for the RPM), any excess energy/heat is shunted by the regulator. The more power you are using, the less that needs to be shunted, less chance of heat building up in the charging system. However with the harness upgrade, there is now limited power until the 3rd leg is 'relayed' on. | ||
| Jdugger |
> less chance of heat building up in the charging system. Well, OK, but the regulator and the stator are different. Seriously, the way to avoid stator problems is to keep the revs up. The Harley announcement about the harness upgrade as much as states that, and the fact no racer on an 09 is having an issue is a pretty compelling data point. | ||
| 07xb12ss |
JDugger is right. I am living proof. I just called dealer and they said they would remove the harnesses for me at no cost. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Racing generally means 30 or 40 minute heat cycles. That is not the same as ripping around for 4, 8 or 12 hours. My 09 CR had voltage issues from day one. I have put on 800 miles since the stator fix. Everything is good, the bike runs way better than it ever did. Ignition's work well when they get full energy. | ||
| Jdugger |
My bike had 30k on it of riding in the mountains of Arkansas tank-to-tank before it became a track bike and get 10k of the hardest miles it could get on it. Keep the revs up and problems go away. | ||
| Milt |
I got down to 11.1v (!) yesterday, about 100 yards from the dealer. Man, I miss my Blast. |
