| Author | Message | ||
     Jerseyguy |
Al, I want to also say thanks for all the hard work. Sometimes folks don't realize how much time and effort it takes to produce an honest, factual report that's fair to all the builders. If this report is anything as good as the last one, it will be well worth the wait. Thanks again from the folks at Drummer Racing Products. | ||
| Velocity |
bump, | ||
| Al_lighton |
Getting closer. I have most of the graphs generated and fully formatted, and am writing some Excel Macros now to boil down some of the table data for inclusion into tables in the report. After that, it's just a matter of finishing the text, getting Figures labeled, and making the zip file for download. Hopefully only about a week of work....but that is NOT a commitment to releasing it in a week!! The graphing worked out really well. Each pipe has it's own worksheet in a workbook, and the data for each pipe is in the same place on each worksheet. So it'll be pretty easy to generate any overlays that you want to see just by manipulating the sheet references in the chart data source selection. It'll make more sense when you see it. I'll have the standard graphs as pasted graphics in the test report, but will also include the full spreadsheet in the zip file so that folks can create whatever graph they want (as long as they have Excel and a little bit of knowledge on how to use it). There's a bunch of things that I'd do differently if I could do the test over. Seems that it's always the case, especially on a VERY time constrained test like this one. But I'll cover these issues in the test report. Al | ||
| D_adams |
I would have sent this if I had completed it in time.  I need to work faster I guess. | ||
| D_adams |
Sorry for the double post, iPhone isn't the best way to post stuff. (Message edited by d_adams on June 22, 2010) | ||
| D_adams |
Bump. | ||
| Al_lighton |
Getting close. I try to get at least an hour a day on it. I'm shooting for publishing it over the 4th of July weekend. Al | ||
| Reducati |
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| Bueller4ever |
That pipe sounds like there is a dip in the power. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"Getting close. " Cooooool   | ||
| D_adams |
?? Where does it sound like there's a dip? The video a couple of posts up showed 122 hp on the superflow, which equals 136-137 on a dynojet. There's a transition from rich to lean at 6k rpm, but there weren't any dips that I recall seeing. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
yeah dammit D work faster lol | ||
| Socoken |
122 hp on the superflow, which equals 136-137 on a dynojet. Hearing that makes me feel a LOT better about hitting 123 on a superflow with my HMF. | ||
| Westmoorenerd |
I know we're all getting anxious now =) | ||
| Bueller4ever |
I guess it was towards the end of the run, 1:02. | ||
| D_adams |
The numbers will be here soon. From what Al told me, I did ok. :-) | ||
| Curve_carver |
DId any hit over the 140 mark? What would of been cool as a comparison would be to run a stock gxsr , cbr and a r1. | ||
| Ponti1 |
Eh, tons of availble dyno info pertaining to the IL4 bikes. Would have been really neat if timing would have been a bit different, such that we could have seen the shootout also include testing using the Erik Buell Racing ECMs with all the pipe-specific maps that were not available at the time the shootout kicked off. You know, hind sight being 20/20 and all... (Message edited by ponti1 on July 06, 2010) | ||
| Puzzled |
DId any hit over the 140 mark? I'll venture a guess and say the Drummer just made 140HP with the next two pipes 2-3HP behind. More important is the power curve. Very few pipes turn on early and carry the power throughout. Brand A pipe may make a few more HP at a certin point. However if brand B makes the power sooner and carries the power up to peak than it "should" be the quicker pipe. For me I like a pipe that makes TQ early and lots of it. Again I imagine there won't be but 1-2 pound feet difference between the top three. (Message edited by puzzled on July 07, 2010) | ||
| Jng1226 |
How many times has it been said on every internal-combustion engine forum? Not enough, apparently: It's the area under the curve that counts! Jeff | ||
| Tbarker |
+1 | ||
| Blower1 |
+1 | ||
| Blake |
Word! | ||
| Highscore |
140 HP at the rear wheel? I guess we are talking here about "Dynojet-numbers, do not we? So the stock performance should be something around the 130-HP benchmark. This would mean, the Drummer is good for 10 HP plus. This simply by a muffler swap, with the slim stock headers in place, nothing else but the pipe done with the bike? I have problems to believe this performance wonder. But the world is large and a sea of possibilities. I am ambitious to learn. So where are that magic dyno graphs (with or without proper interpretation) to understand this wonder? | ||
| D_adams |
The charts are coming soon. Many will be suprised, some will be disappointed. The baseline run was lower than 130 hp. Yes, there WERE pipes that produced HUGE numbers. Some did not. For those of you who have either seen or heard the results, please kindly refrain from divulging details. Al has done an awful lot of work, allow him to enjoy publishing it. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
so dean....any clues as to when the results will be published??  Jake | ||
| D_adams |
This week is what Al's shooting for. There's some details/comments or whatever that needs finalized, but the charts and graphs are done. He'll post it when he's done, I'm like everyone else though, I want to see the actual full report. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
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| Easyrider |
Well Highscore you will be even more surpirsed by the results.. AS i have completly different data done on my dyno with different pipes that are also in the test on my test mule.. In my case the results are lower. in other cases the results are much higher.. So Yes I am dissapointed by the test results that where made. In august I am at Glendale HD in LA testing 3 Buells and 1 of them will also have our Toprque Hammer, I will post the results here. I think that there is a difference in the following order they did the test, so the last pipes get all the good numbers and the first pipes not because of the learning and understanding.. That is my explaination. | ||
| Kicka666 |
I end to agree with you Easy as the DDFI-3 with the closed loop learning will change fuel & spark maps, making things different but I dont know if the testing was done with wide bands or O2's disabled ect ect. @ the end of the day im sure all people with different pipes will be curious to see the results Al has come up with. Hats off to you Al for your hard work, I will be curious to see what my pipe comes up with even though I know what my Hp figures are for my conditions & environment with altered fuel & spark mapping. Cheers  |
