| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
"Just curious, but what makes posting dyno graphs hard?" Al is not going to just post a bunch of graphs. He's assembling a first rate professional test report. See the report he did for the XBike exhaust shootout a few years ago if you still don't understand the difference. There are tables to create and pertinent information to document. | ||
| Steeltech |
Well...again Blake, some of us don't require people to read a dyno graph for us. As long as I have his stock run and the run with the pipe I want to compare it to then I can read it. I don't know about the rest of you, but for me the graphs speak louder than words. Helps if the are the same size so I can pop open photoshop and overlay them if the numbers are that close. | ||
| D_adams |
Sure, but there are a lot of other variables to consider also besides the dyno charts. Fit, finish, looks, volume, type of tone, cost, etc. There are many things to mull over when deciding on an exhaust system. If I didn't know how to do what I do, I'd buy the Buell factory race exhaust, provided I had the $$ to do it. The guy that does their pipes is an artist at welding. Me, I'm just competent, although they don't look like a 3 yr old did the welds either. I try to make each one of mine something I'd put on my own bike. I kinda rushed the original and the welds show it. They're solid but they are not pretty to look at. | ||
| Xodot |
stalking | ||
| Blake |
"some of us don't require people to read a dyno graph for us." You apparently confuse what comprises a professional test report with rhetoric. A professional test report documents the test procedures, any anomalies in said procedures across the sample population, error analysis, and yes, provides all plots on identical scale for easy/honest visual comparison. It takes time. Back off. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Steel, if you're not liking the way they're doing this test, go get all the pipes and dyno them yourself. If you don't know what's taking "so long" (your opinion, not mine), check out the xb exhaust shoot out on the american sportbike website. First class guys like Al put out first class stuff, weather it be product or free information. | ||
| Geforce |
"You apparently confuse what comprises a professional test report with rhetoric. A professional test report documents the test procedures, any anomalies in said procedures across the sample population, error analysis, and yes, provides all plots on identical scale for easy/honest visual comparison." Blake is 100% correct. To give you some comparison, I test weapons in the Army... I had NO IDEA how grueling of a process testing could be until the Operational Test Command trucks rolled up and wired us up with every monitoring system you could possibly imagine. All I wanted to do was blow stuff up, but they wanted to see how effective this is, and run this value through that spec, and get base values, and data collection after data collection. For the last 6 weeks, all I have done is run around the woods like a mad man...testing. When we started, my idea of a test was, ammunition, target and effect. It wasn't until i got one serious multi-million dollar test under my belt that I realized HOW important data collection truly is. By just looking at the dyno graphs you are only seeing a portion of the real test. I agree, for many people that IS the meat and potatoes but man oh man is it nice to lay everything out and really get the comparisons going. Again, thanks to Al and the team who put on these "shoot outs" for all of us. It is a LOT of hard work and effort. I can wait as long as it takes to eat my pie. | ||
| Curve_carver |
I plan on waiting patiently. Hp,Price, quality, looks, tone ,where it's made, along with db killers will all be considered in my decision. | ||
| Dearinger3 |
When will we get more info? | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
 WHEN IT IS POSTED ON THE AMERICAN SPORTBIKE WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez people let Al and his crew take the time they need to develop this. I am sure Al does not get off from work and say "Man I cannot wait to work on this shootout instead of spending time with my family" give it a rest already. He will post the results when he is done. Jimmy (Message edited by bishopjb1124 on June 03, 2010) | ||
| Puddlepirate |
Bump to top | ||
| Slaughter |
What a freaking FEEDING FRENZY going on here! Doesn't anybody think that Al is going to announce it when he's done??? Take a couple deep breaths. | ||
| Mrgubrz |
hes going to hide it and keep it all to himself! *grabs torches and pitchforks*  | ||
| Buellishness |
you people are funny!! | ||
| Augustus74 |
Nothing funny about RABID Buell fans! | ||
| Al_lighton |
I've FINALLY started making real progress on the data crunching. I had the data, but couldn't process and save it with the demo version of the dyno SW. The real SW finally arrived on Saturday, and I've started the crunching. Fist step is to reduce all the dyno plots to numerical data, which is pretty slow going, but I'm at least moving forward now. From there, it gets imported into Excel and the graphs get created. As in the XB shootout, there are a lot of overlay graphs to generate, but while waiting for the SW to arrive, I've been playing with dummy data to figure out the best way to format it all. I think I've got a reasonable methodology figured out. All of the graphs in the XB shootout were done in WinPep, which got pretty clunky when I needed to make any changes. Using Excel to do the graphing should be better. Al | ||
| Rombi |
Queen song anyone? I want it all, and I want it now. Not enough money to buy a pipe and a tune anyway so I can wait it out and see the pipe that I can't buy on top. Maybe I could hook up a big sound system with a looping soundtrack of a guy revving his piped bike up and roll sounding bad. If there is anyone that will sell their used pipe if you find out they want a different one please let me know. | ||
| Father_of_an_era |
I'm with you on that Rombi. A used exhaust is definitely the way to go. The new ones are just too expensive for me right now as well.  | ||
| Buellishness |
rombi give me a call 510-363-6222 there is a used jardine pipe if you are interested | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm just sorry he wasn't able to get any of those e-Certified exhausts from Europe to evaluate... | ||
| 1125rcya |
I plan on selling my RM250 soon as the results are posted. Lots of us are looking forward to the charts and the E-B-R ECM/Pipe. Thanks for the leg work Mike | ||
| Chameleon |
Posting to subscribe. | ||
| Dearinger3 |
Posting to subscribe | ||
| Al_lighton |
A brief update on status: The data has finally been all exported and input into a couple master spreadsheets, and the formatting is 95% complete. This took much longer than you might think, with lots of time waiting for the dyno SW to finish crunching, displaying, and exporting. I'm starting the graphing work tonight. With the XB exhaust shootout, I tried to present all the different graphs that I thought folks would like. This time around, I'll do considerably less graphs, but I'll be formatting the spreadsheeted data in a way that makes it easy for anyone to select which plots are graphed together. That's the plan, anyway. Not sure what the "posting to subscribe" posts are about. ??? Al | ||
| D_adams |
There's an option in the user profile to track or have thread changes emailed to you so you don't lose track of the thread. Any time someone posts to this thread, the guys who have that option set will get an email telling them there's a new post. It's the additional email notifications section. | ||
| Chameleon |
Thanks for your hard work on our behalf, Al. Not just in this instance, but all together. You're a champion for the brand. BTW, I'm loving the Corsa windscreen. Another 1125R owner saw it last weekend and asked where he could get one. I gladly directed him to American Sport Bike. | ||
| Chessm |
its like that one mervyns commercial where we all have our noses to the door going open open open | ||
| Jelomadnes |
And that other 1125r owner is scrounging here and there to try and get it ordered before the weekend  | ||
| Ponti1 |
Posting to subscribe. | ||
| Cocobueller |
Thanks for all your hard work on this. Posting to subscribe. ARE WE THERE YET! ARE WE THERE YET! ARE WE THERE YET! (Message edited by cocobueller on June 21, 2010) |
