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Froggy
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 11:46 am: | 
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quote:why is it a bad thing to have an Original platform for a sports car
Increases costs, reduces selection. The Zeta platform that is used by the Camaro is also used for pickup, wagons, luxury sedans and other vehicles.
quote:by your theory GM just shit out a platform change one or two parts making one model a sports car and the other not
Interesting, looks like more than two parts to me.
quote: I'd hate to break it to ya a stock cobalt ss is hardly a sports car
Then the WRX STI, Misubishi Evo, Focus RS, Mazdaspeed 3, and all the other cars in that segment arent either. |
Ohsoslow
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 12:40 pm: |
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Well you're wrong about the use of the zeta in pickups, and that thing you posted a pic of is not a pick up, it's car with an open rear end.
I'm not even going to touch on the sports car subject |
Tailpipe_licker
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 01:01 pm: |
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lol...You said "open rear end" and "touch". |
Froggy
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 01:27 pm: |
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quote:Well you're wrong about the use of the zeta in pickups
Interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform
quote: and that thing you posted a pic of is not a pick up
Could you please define a pick up then? While you are at it, define sports car too since apparently the rest of civilization has the wrong definition.  |
Dktechguy112
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 01:40 pm: |
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Ford is known for their trucks, and lately they have been failing miserably on diesels. The 6.0 liter engine is a huge failure. How did they get a diesel truck into production that requires the body to be removed to work on the engine? I have talked to so many ford guys that got tired of replacing turbos on 6.0 liters. One guy dropped $8k on his ford to "upgrade" it so it would not have any of the turbo problems, his next trip out a turbo blew. I will admit that ford trucks have the best interior, but they have to, because you have to have nice seats to sit in while you wait for the tow truck
for 1500 trucks, ford f-150all the way.
For a heavy duty truck, dodge 3500 with a cummins diesel.
My dad has a dodge with the cummins, and that engine is a beast. Gm and ford can't touch the cummins and they know it. the cummins dodge uses is the base engine that semi trucks use.
I have talked to people that run 1500hp and 3000 ft-lb of torque out of a cummins. |
B00stzx3
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 01:42 pm: |
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FORD! AND BUELL!! TOGETHER?!?!?
The two loves of my life ahhhhh
I'd love to have an SVT Firebolt. If built, it would probably bring about world peace and cure chickenpox. |
Scolly68
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 02:19 pm: |
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Can I get it in the same color scheme as my Mach? Maybe put a Shaker airbox cover on it? |
Ohsoslow
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 01:17 am: |
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Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 01:27 pm:
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Well you're wrong about the use of the zeta in pickups
Interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform
I don't see anything about a pickup truck in that
Could you please define a pick up then? While you are at it, define sports car too since apparently the rest of civilization has the wrong definition.
You probably think the Honda ridgeline is a real pick up too. The cobalt ss is an enconomy car with a super charger bolted on to it (or turbo if it is a newer one) the corvette is a purpose built sports car not... " oh hey let's give this thing more power and slap on some special badges".
Anyways back on topic.............. |
Oddball
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 02:08 am: |
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Just found the chevy motorcycle.
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Psayton
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 05:20 am: |
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sports car
Function: noun
Date: 1928
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving.
Corvette was the only mass produced American made sports car before the Fiero. Now of course there are a few. 2 passenger is the key here. |
Jsg4dfan
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 06:41 am: |
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All you have to do to decipher where I fall in this discussion is take a close look at my username. With that said, wouldn't it be wicked cool to have an F150 Lightning to go with my XB9S Lightning? With just a few bolt-ons, one of those would tow my 9S through the quarter faster than it could do it on it's on... |
Prowler
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 07:31 am: |
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Corvette was not the only 2-seat sports car prior to the Fiero (calling the Fiero a sports car is quite a reach). In the late 60's AMC made the AMX that ran a 390CI motor and was pretty quick in it's day. |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 10:27 am: |
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Using a shared platform is exactly what's wrong with the Camaro and the Challenger. Both cars use chassis that are shared with full-size sedans, and that results in extra weight and reduced performance. Last year, the 305hp Mustang GT ran circles around the Camaro and Challenger despite a large horsepower deficit. Now, packing more than 400hp, the Mustang positively wipes the floor with those two lead sleds.
I owned an '88 Fiero GT for a decade or so, and I think it definitely qualified as a sports car. It wasn't particularly quick and the brakes were at best average, but it was small and nimble. I still find myself periodically browsing Ebay for an '88 with an LS1 swap for decent money, but I think the chances of finding one of those are pretty slim. Also, I'd have to get rid of my '04 Mustang Cobra, and even though the LS1 is a nice motor that would do very well in a light car like a Fiero, I still don't think it would prove to be a worthy substitute for the Terminator.
It's surprising how many people don't even know about Buell. I rode my CBR to a new client's office yesterday. The client jokingly said, "if you're not riding a Harley, you can't work on our computers". I told him I had a Buell at home, and he had not the slightest idea of what I was talking about. This client was in a town where the Harley dealer also sold Buells, so I can't imagine him not having ever heard of Buells, but that was apparently the case. So the Ford logo on that 1125R may well fool some people. |
Bueller4ever
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 12:03 pm: |
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The new mustang gt is all ready running 11's without going into the motor. That is some kind of impressive for a car that starts at $29k. I think that performance shop ran a 12.6 completely stock.
It's no light weight either, but it's 200-300lbs lighter than the camaro or challenger.
I think the buells and mustangs have a lot in common. They are both underdogs, looked down upon and underpowered compared to similar vehicles. Yet they both manage to beat the odds more times than not. |
Jackgraves
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 12:21 pm: |
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Yeah my 1125R Shelby Cobra Edition, I Thought the Blue Ovals would match the frame, wheels, fork adjusters, and my GPR Damper well. |
Benzo_mike
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 12:22 pm: |
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I have a gen 2 SVT Lightning. Check out the photo in my profile. 410/540 at the wheels. Always wanted the Lightning/Lightning combo.
Throw in a P-38 and you have the elusive trifecta. |
Oddball
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 02:41 pm: |
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Don't forget the newest lightning, The F-35.
Then you'd have the four horseman. |
Psayton
| | Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 12:55 am: |
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The AMX was not considered a sports car because it was just a Shortened Javelin without a backseat. You would have done better with the Thunderbird argument but it was to heavy. |
Lastonetherebuys
| | Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 01:02 pm: |
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what's wrong with the Camaro and the Challenger. Both cars use chassis that are shared with full-size sedans
I may be wrong with this but I believe the new Challenger has it's own platform and it was the Charger that shared the platform of the 300c |
Captain_america
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 02:51 am: |
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Ohsoslow,
I'm a lil late but an El Camino is registered as a "pickup" . . . I Know I have a '72 GMC Sprint |
Captain_america
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 02:58 am: |
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Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:34 am: |
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Lastonethere, nope, the Challenger is just a two-door version of the Charger/300C. It uses the same chassis, drivetrain, etc. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:56 am: |
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The cobalt ss is an enconomy car with a super charger bolted on to it (or turbo if it is a newer one)
Do a little research. The SS gets an entirely different engine right down to the sodium-filled exhaust valves pulled from the Ecotec drag cars. Suspension is totally different, brakes are FANTASTIC (the turbo cars even get brembos from the factory). In a slalom, a Cobalt SS is faster than a Z51 Corvette. I owned one. They're a little crude, but an absolute hoot to drive and faster in every way than many "sports cars".
Using a shared platform is exactly what's wrong with the Camaro and the Challenger. Both cars use chassis that are shared with full-size sedans, and that results in extra weight and reduced performance. Last year, the 305hp Mustang GT ran circles around the Camaro and Challenger despite a large horsepower deficit. Now, packing more than 400hp, the Mustang positively wipes the floor with those two lead sleds.
Last I read, the Camaro was the clear winner in every shootout test I saw between these three cars. The Mustang was a better handler when it had the track pack, but that was it. A couple hundred pounds lighter doesn't make up for a solid rear end and a 120 horespower defecit.
That said, I prefer the Mustang at this point for it's interior. The Camaro bores me and the Challanger is the piggiest of them all. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 11:04 am: |
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Last I read, the Camaro was the clear winner in every shootout test I saw between these three cars. The Mustang was a better handler when it had the track pack, but that was it. A couple hundred pounds lighter doesn't make up for a solid rear end and a 120 horespower defecit.
Fixed in 2011.
Come on & bring it.
R |
Bueller4ever
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 01:04 pm: |
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Everyone always hates on a solid rear axle, but with a good three link or 4 link suspension, they are just as capable and can handle more hp. funny how that solid rear axle is pulling more G's than the irs in the crapmaro or the challenger.
evolution performance's 2011 mustang gt just ran a 11.66@119 with only exhaust, k&n air filter, tune and race tires. I can't wait to see what a different cam, intake and longtubes can do.
That gray one in the new mustang commercial looks sick as well. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 01:09 pm: |
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The new v-6 Mustang pulls more G's on a skidpad and brakes shorter 60-0 than a MIATA!
With a solid axle.
We buried Camero and Challenger once.
We'll do it again.
R |
Captain_america
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 01:49 pm: |
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Don't make me bust out the Hot Rod Solstice on you guys... lol
Yeah I know you guys are talking about factory cars haha |
Ratsmc
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 01:56 pm: |
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Thefleshrocket:
quote:Using a shared platform is exactly what's wrong with the Camaro and the Challenger. Both cars use chassis that are shared with full-size sedans
Exactly. I own a Challenger (well, my wife does) and the thing is a boat. It looks nice but drives like a really powerful 300. |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 02:15 pm: |
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I'll throw a little poo in the mix here. Two of the tenants at my shop own three cars. 1 brand new Challenger, 1 brand new Comaro, and 1 brand new Mustang. All three have the top h.p. options from the factory. All three are manual trans. No aftermarket suspension, or unnatural aspiration. The owner of the Challenger, and the Mustang hates the Challenger, and has it up for sale. The Comaro boasts h.p. numbers (426), but cannot keep up with the Mustang in the curves. 10 years ago, I built a roadracing Mustang (87 GT) that would embarrass a Corvette in the turns. Full racing suspension (4 control arms and a panhard bar in the rear, and new bushings in the A-arms up front, and bigger anti-sway bars on both), for that car cost me about 1K in parts. It pulled 1.0 G's on a skidpad. So, take your pick. Comaro has lots of power and a decent ride. The Challenger has a little less power, with a good ride (due to the weight displacement of the car). The mustang may not take off as fast, but will outhandle any of the others (sounds familiar). All three have mods available at very reasonable cost. So, I guess its personal preferance. I'm a Ford fan, so I love the bike, and will stick with things that handle better than the rest. I don't do over 75mph very often anyways. |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 04:12 pm: |
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Bueller4ever, you said "evolution performance's 2011 mustang gt just ran a 11.66@119 with only exhaust, k&n air filter, tune and race tires. I can't wait to see what a different cam, intake and longtubes can do."
Keep in mind that the new 5.0 is actually a four-cam motor. I'm not saying that there's not more performance to be found with camshaft upgrades, but four cams are a lot more expensive than one!
XL1200R, you said "Last I read, the Camaro was the clear winner in every shootout test I saw between these three cars. The Mustang was a better handler when it had the track pack, but that was it. A couple hundred pounds lighter doesn't make up for a solid rear end and a 120 horespower defecit. "
Have a look at last year's Car & Driver comparison test of the 4.6L 315hp Mustang vs. the Camaro vs. the Challenger. The Mustang won handily.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09 q3/2010_chevy_camaro_ss_vs._2010_ford_mustang_gt_2 009_dodge_challenger_r_t-comparison_tests |
No_rice
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 04:14 pm: |
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wasnt there a motorcycle conversation somewhere in here...? |
Bueller4ever
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:06 pm: |
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I'm aware that cams are harder to change in a ford modular motor.
It's all ready been said that there wouldn't be much to gain in bolt ons with the new 5.0. I think it's safe to say someone misspoke. They haven't even added a proper cold air intake to it.
Look at all the mods to this 2010 camaro just to run mid 11's! Is that 200 shot of nitrous a misprint?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260 90
Now before you start crying about auto vs. manual, an auto transmission is undoubtedly better for drag racing. |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:01 pm: |
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an auto transmission is undoubtedly better for drag racing.
I totally agree. Hard to miss with an auto. I missed a few on my old car at the drag strip. |
Stevek1125r
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:08 pm: |
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My favorite Mustang.. 84-86 2.3turbo Mustang SVO.....
Few guys have those engine to 500whp daily driven on pump gass and few other have race only apps that get near 1000hp..
I read an article a couple months back of a guy named John Hubber that has a 1979 turbo stang with one of the newer SVO style 2.3 tubo engines..(i think his is 2.8 liters though) the article read 1000hp and 25mpg....
Hell my R will get 25mpg if i romp the crap out of it.... lol but it doesn't have no 1000hp..
SO Op what inspired you to add Ford emblems to your Buell?..the point is??? |
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