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Pistole_pete
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got a CEL today after riding in 85 degree temp. Checked the code and it was the P0132 front O2 sensor error. From what I could dig up on these forums it is somewhat regular with the cali can in hot weather due to the vapor being dumped into the front intake. Seeing as I live in Texas and things are just going to get hotter from here, I have a few newb-ish questions. 1) With the front running rich, do I risk fouling the O2 sensor early or risk anything else? 2) Some people said the dealer replaced their O2 sensor while others have said the dealer used the "N" word (Normal). Is there a good fix for this or should I not waste my time and just let the codes happen and eventually clear themselves? 3) Would putting in a KN filter for the hot months give it enough extra air to lean it out?

I'm going to see if they'll cover frame insulation as a couple of others on here have had theirs covered. If the frame is roasting my thighs now, I don't want to know what 100+ degree riding in a stop and go city environment will do. Hopefully that will also make Ursula a little more heat tolerant.
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Jules
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the same front O2 sensor error but I don't have the Cali can and i do run a K&N so I'm afraid that doesn't offer you much hope.

If the dealer tries to tell me that's normal he really won't enjoy my response. It's definately a fault.

How do you know the front cylinder is running rich, I was more concerned that I was running lean but have no way of knowing because the sensor is faulty.

I'm thinking of some of the external "gripster" pads on the frame to try to insulate my legs as the last few days it's been warm here and the frame gets soooo hot (surprising for the UK)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I have to say I think the Cali can dumping all that excess fuell into the front cylinder may have an effect on the front AFV. I definitely prefer it NOT being dumped in there. I believe the bike runs and starts better without the cali setup.
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Pistole_pete
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was an assumption to the cause of the P0132 error as the cali can dumps the vapors into the front intake. By no means am I mechanically inclined, it was just an edumacated guess coming from knowledge gained by osmosis from the internet.
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Pistole_pete
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fresnobuell: yeah, I have had some hot start issues since getting the cali can and now this. I still love the bike and love involves some tough choices; in this case, do I have my garage fumigated or do I have a couple/few small issues but come out not smelling like eau-du-petrol.
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Trafford
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

See my posting on a mod to avoid front cylinder fuel bias . http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/555117.html?1272125148
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03fatboy
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it possible with the cali can to vent the vapors to atmosphere as opposed to the throttle body? I have seen on here where someone had it just vent into the airbox instead of the throttle body. I haven't seen the setup from the dealer, so I am not familiar with the routing.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dealer setup has the return from the can going straight into the front cylinder. There is a fitting and a small port right under the butterfly.
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Jules
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I must admit I like Trafford's setup : )
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03fatboy
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jules that is the one I saw. I definitely like that setup too. Just dumps it into the airbox as opposed to the throttle body. I might just spend the money myself and do it that way instead of the factory setup.
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Pistole_pete
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trafford, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. That seems like the perfect fix.
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My track bikes run very hot in the summer -- I regularly get the temp light to come on (230F) during sessions and a LOT of fuel boils off when I come to the pits.

I've had the best luck by just letting the bike drip in the pit, with a fan on it so it continues to get cooling air once the bike is shut off.

I really don't see a problem with it. The only issue is if you want to garage her while hot.

Both 08 and 09 bikes, and oddly, the 09 bike drips a lot more than the 08.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll keep an eye out for this since my dealer installed the CA can recently on my 49-state bike. The garage annoyance was plenty, and when my semi-local track said that fuel drip kept me from going on the track, I had little choice!

Mike
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Ratgin
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let my 09 idle for 15 minutes the other day before leaving for work.

as i backed her out the laneway it poured out the tube in such an amount that i could smell raw fuel with helmet on and see a line of fuel on the asphalt much like a water hose would leave.

Hoping this kit is in soon as this is a serious issue imo.
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Pistole_pete
Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I read somewhere on here that the cali can on a 49 state is a bandaid fix and a service bulletin is in the works. I'm curious to see what they've come up with. Hopefully the stock of parts keeps up with the demand (no snark intended), but either way after I get the letter I'm showing up at opening the following morning.
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