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Cowboytutt
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 01:07 am: | 
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Ditto what Jion said. I noticed those decreased roll on times as well.
Hopefully the Barker-specific Erik Buell Racing chip works as well as the FMF race chip did.
Al, thanks for everything you have done regarding this test. It was a great deal of work and I know I speak for all of us when I say how much we appreciate it.
-Tutt |
Easyrider
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 01:19 am: |
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Morning, I am in a hurry to go to the dyno... so I only comment on the question about Highscore in the case (BOS" (exhaust manufacturer in the Netherlands)
Yes, I develop the exhaust and test them in my dyno, when finished I then ask Bos our exhaust manufacturer exclusivly, to do the manufacturing. we do the R&D and the prototype development, and we don't manufactur the pipes. That is a totally different process.
They will make our new torque Hammer and the ones for the XB and XR1200.
They also have there own dyno |
Eddie
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 08:48 am: |
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Has the order in which the pipes were tested posted? |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 11:26 am: |
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They appear in the report in the order they were tested. I maintained that order in all places (i.e., photo order, table orders, dyno chart order, etc). You can see the date/time stamp in the headers of the spreadsheet data.
Al |
No_rice
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 12:25 pm: |
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3 minutes worth of skimming and i can see why i always avoid these threads. complain complain complain and excuses. seems to be the norm.
i said it before and i'll say it again. this is like an instant repeat of the xb shootout...
lots of hard work ridiculed for results some people dont like.
no matter how it is done or by who it will never be good enough it seems.
list every spec and condition and there will still be someone saying well the ambient temp changed, or the bike was running warmer or you didnt give it a chance to adjust, or you HAD to have put the wrong map in or maybe you didnt have the dyno set right. blah blah blah.
GOOD JOB GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is what it is. and having been there for the xb shootout i know first hand how much work you have into this and how much attention to detail you paid while doing it.
i have my favorites, but that doesnt mean i doubt the way you tested them just because they did or didnt do well. |
Easyrider
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 01:14 pm: |
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No Rice,
Everybody has à different oppinion even you (-: |
No_rice
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 01:47 pm: |
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opinions are great. everyone has one including me yes. and i have some very strong ones.
but flat out saying that the tests were not done correctly or dont really show the true results, by people that were no where near the testing when it was done, is just pointless and rude.
im not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. just an over all "come on guys" take it for what it is. a very well executed test of all these things on the same dyno in as close as possiable to the same conditions.
i guess im one of those people that thinks, if you dont like the way it was done feel free to do it again yourself.
im sure no one would complain. 
well until it was done... |
Jng1226
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 02:10 pm: |
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That's interesting, you talk about about people commenting on a test that they were not at. However, you weren't at this particular test either, right? |
Datsaxman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 02:24 pm: |
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Jng,
That is exactly WHY No_rice is NOT criticizing the test results.
I think that is the point he is making. Might want to read it again.
Pretty simple and logical.
Unless you are one of those people who just wants to complain about everything that anybody else says. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 02:30 pm: |
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nope i wasnt and thats the point. thats why i have no point in saying that they did it wrong. thanks for noticing
but i was there for the xb one and i know how that was done. this was headed up by some of the same people. hence it will have followed alot of the same guidelines. but i am better equipped then many as to know how much effort would have been put into this one.
notice nowhere did i say that it was right or wrong. i said that im sure they did there best(because i know these guys) and they also tried to keep an even playing field. which is obvious simply by the sheer amount of info given.
nowhere did i say it was right or wrong. i said good job for doing it.
these guys dont need me to stand up for them(but sometimes i get tired of stuff). their reputation proceeds them and has for years. that, is a good thing. there is a reason for it...
i have no stake in this game. i know the pipes that will be on my bikes. knew it when i got the bikes. still know it today. |
Mountainstorm
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 05:01 pm: |
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I think it's a great thing Al et al have done and it's interesting to see how many exhausts have sprouted up for this "defunct" bike. It's almost kind of odd how much variety there is for such a limited market.
I remember when there was nothing aftermarket. I was starting to wonder if anyone would make a slip on...now I can't even remember them all.
If Highscore is correct we can also learn something about which pipes work best and why, and that might rub off on any new designs... |
Jng1226
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 06:21 pm: |
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I was just yanking yer chain, forgot to include this clipart:  . Didn't understand your post originally and that is a good point you make.
I've supported Al and American Sport Bike since I carbon'd out my XB9 years ago, so you know whose side I'm on. Discourse is a good thing and of course some of those commenting (not necessarily criticizing) on Al's test have a commercial interest in the results, so I can't really blame them.
All these replies keep pushing this thread to the top so any newbs will see it and hopefully it will get more exposure for Al, that's honestly all I'm interested in.
Jeff |
Datsaxman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 10:15 pm: |
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Good reply, Jng!
(bump) |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 04:16 pm: |
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Well I for one,was there.Working my tail off. And I sure get tired of my name,and all of the rest of the folks who worked their tails off,being dragged through the mud by folks who were not there--working their tails off.Gotta love the monday morning quarterbacking and armchair experts.
Think I'll go work on a racebike! |
Tbarker
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 09:58 pm: |
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I think you did great |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 11:51 pm: |
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Firemanjim - "monday morning quarterbacking and armchair experts" LOL! Bullseye. |
Kc10_fe
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 12:16 am: |
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So the verdict on the E B R Barkers ECM and the plain jane pump gas ECM with a Barkers is? Are they the same with minor tweaks or is the Barker specific one leaps and bound above. I have a Barkers coming in the mail and was hoping for a solid explanation before I pull the trigger on the ECM. |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:02 am: |
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why wouldnt you get a SPECIFICALLY TUNED map??? its the SAME price...seems like a no brainer to me....GET THE BARKER MAP!!! FTW!!
Jake |
Cowboytutt
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:17 am: |
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I've met Fireman Jim at two consecutive Moto GP events at the Love Shack. One of my favorite people. Same for Al Leighton, owner of American Sport Bike, who I have known before he even took over American Sport Bike. These are two very meticulous individuals!
Al has taken American Sport Bike to a whole new level, and Jim is a wonderful guy who keeps you in stitches.
Maybe before the "arm chair" guys "flame them" they could spend some time with them first. That would be nice.
-Tutt |
Curve_carver
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:35 am: |
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Two things I'll clear up with my experience with the ebr ECM. It was so lean it backfired and surged worse than the stock ECM. Very dangerous through the curves!!
Wot pulls are fine but there's 99 % more area to tune.
My bike feels stronger when I don't whack the throttle.
Even with the stock ecu.
My opinion on ALS report is that it's a good baseline.
But alot of information "mid throttle" runs are not there.
Keep in mind that wot dwell times changes whether your in third gear or 4th whacking the throttle.
That's what's so great about the yamaha r1 ecu. It's tuned for every gear. Ddfi3 is old stuff. It's very innacurrate. I wish my r had a r1 ecu . Think of how much better you could tune every gear. Wow!!
I'm sorry to say this but ddfi3 is not up to par with the the japs . |
