| Author | Message | ||
     Justa4banger |
EBR and i have made mends... COURT.......(i see you deleted your post...WHY???) Where was my data WRONG? show me..... There was no anomaly.... I did report FACTS.. fact is that on my bike, with my pipe, and my K&N, the Race ecm did not work... FOR ME! I also did not proclaim everything Buell is Garbage , don't go off putting words in my mouth, i proclaimed that this tune was garbage...i said this when i was pissed off. excuse me for having an outburst.... hell excuse me for having a thought that something might actually be incorrect in that tune with MY mods. States the Fact Court and nothing else... Your comments above (which are now gone)make it seem like i lied to produce negative publicity... that was never my intent.... Yes i agree OTHERS involved themselves in our conversation and stirred the pot, but if you go back and review i did not follow that. i answered your questions direct...It seems to me that you opted to listen to others and go with the flow... You asked for my credentials, though it makes NO DIFFERENCE. i answered accordingly and tactfully. you later asked for my bike info which i gave everything but the vin as i HONESTLY saw no reason for you to have it.... SOMEONE else made it seem that i was acting rude to you, when in reality i was not. Once i read the other postings from memebers on why you would want that info, i understood what was going on. ( I sent you the info via PM). the problem is a few OTHERS made there comments before i had a chance to say anything and you decided that i was somehow acting like a child with you and decided to no longer help out. Reality is i can't find a single time i made a comment on here where i attacked you.... or was disrespectful... atleast i don't remember it...i have no issue with you or your questions. (Message edited by justa4banger on March 09, 2010) | ||
| Justa4banger |
Hey blake i made my comment above to keep other board members from being ridiculed by you constantly... there has yet to be one post about the race ecm, where you have gone without making comments about me and my "garbage" data or try to enforce the idea that i was out to steal money save your comments it only make you look like a jackass... | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
Dunno where this this goin other then what froggy posted was right. I don't wanna head about how that blah blah blah sucks, but I don't have one. Or that is blah blah SO IV HEARD. Just wanna hear hey I bought ebr ••• jardine etc, had it how long, what ur butt dyno says what ur bike says, what a real dyno says (if you went to one) and what you think vs stock and if you were to do it again what you would do. I want you opinion on what YOU HAVE, NOT JOHNNY KNOCKER. This is basicly a thread so I can see what product sold how many and how many are happy vs unhappy with there decision so I can make and educated one for myself. So let's try this again thanks chris | ||
| Xb1200rick |
ok, I got a EBR ECM to go with my HMF pipe and KN. Bike is smoother below 4k, but it feels like it has lost some below 4k. Stock it started to pull around 3k now I need to be around 4k if I want it to go. BUT if you jump on it after 4k you better be holding on  because it it gets from 4k to 11k in a hurry. Other observations... the low fuell still comes on when it is cold but it does not have the CEL with it .The bike seems to be running cooler. I have a CR, the speedo is now off about 5-8 mph. Low speed around town does not require as much clutch work because it is smoother as low speed, just don't ask it to take off hard from anything below 4k. Overall much better running bike. Rick | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
^^^^^ that was amazing! Exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks xb1200rick! That's all I wanted was a good run down of what ya got! Now the next person THAT HAS an ebr ecm can say and my speedo is off too or mine works fine, or my bike rips at 3k still orthe same at 4k. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Chris, with my exhaust system, K&N, open inner air box, de-noided and 03Z flash on my '08 1125R, my speedometer is correct. Way better running(stronger) in all rpm ranges. Running cooler; but I do not believe these bikes will ever accelerate hard from 3000 rpm. Mine pulls strong from 4000 and rips from 5000. Idles in the city just fine at 1500 and about 20 mph. Its cammed just too much for low rpm's and with enormous throttle bores and the way the heads flow its really in a high state of tune for a V-twin which always puts the H.P. and torque up higher in the rpm's ON ANY highly tuned engine of any cylinder configuration. Bottom line, its much better then the stock EPA mandated engine, and it(the engine)and I are happier. Bob | ||
| Dirty_john |
I am waiting for the delivery of the pump gas race ECM from EBR, I will fit this to my 09 1125R which has been denoided since new, has a Remus can without baffle but I will only fit the K&N when I fit the EBR ECU. Whilst I do not have dyno access I will be able to report if the infrequent low speed surge has been reduced and on general coolant operating temps, fuel economy etc. It will be a factual report with no granstanding or emotion. I am a commissioning manager for nuclear and process plant and know how to report facts accurately and will compare my notes from previous season's riding. Life is too short for sometimes petty whinges, get out there and enjoy the bike, we must thank Erik for at least giving us the option of buying some interesting parts for the bike which were previously unavailable to the majority. I sincerely hope that the EBR pump gas race ECU cancels out the inevitable compromises that have to be made to satisfy emissions regs. May even book some dyno time | ||
| Blake |
A table reporting which configurations respond best to the EBR ECM may be helpful. Obviously no one ECM tune is going to work for all exhaust configurations. The EBR Race ECM is optimized for the race exhaust system or those that are close to it. I agree, expecting a race ECM for any bike that revs to 10,500+ to pull hard from 3K rpm is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. Why would any racer care how the bike pulls in the bottom 30% of its rev range? If you want a tractor, get yourself a nice new XB12. They pull hard from below 2500 rpm. They just hit the rev limit at 7,100 rpm. | ||
| Blake |
"excuse me for having an outburst.... hell excuse me for having a thought that something might actually be incorrect in that tune with MY mods." When such inflammatory outbursts aimed at deriding an honorable man's work/product happen here in public for all the world to see, they are not excused and never will be. They may be forgiven, but they will never be excused. It's telling that you implemented a new exhaust system and ECM, but focused only upon the ECM as the source of your issue. Anyone familiar with engine tuning knows that no one ECM tune is going to optimally support all exhaust system configurations. Yet you chose to deride the ECM. Why not the exhaust system? Why not your own ignorant (in hindsight) choice of the combination? (Message edited by blake on March 09, 2010) | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
maybe thinking too optimistic here but the race exhaust is made by fmf, and it works well it that so should it work pretty good with the fmf slip on? Lol idk what kinda pipe j4b had or anyone else with the ebr ecm | ||
| Xb1200rick |
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about the bike not pulling as hard down low. It is what I expected going from a restrictive system to a open one. Just reporting my observation . The little bit you lose on the bottom is more than made up for in the mid and upper range. actually the only thing I have to complain about is that the combination of the EBR ecm and the upright bars makes the bike hard to hold on to. Now I have to either put the clubmans back on or get some of those tank grips Rick (Message edited by xb1200rick on March 09, 2010) | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-injection4.htm a little in site to sensors. why you need them and what they are for. I disable them to make the base map but enable them to run in the end result. The reason many piggy backs disable them is because their systems are doing one thing only adding fuel below the ECU allowable tolerance. If left connected the ecu would read the low afr and make a correction. which leans it back out. some piggy backs intercept the feed line from the sensor and have another line that goes to the ecu. this second line reports an offset value making the ecu think its getting the EPA reading they want(stioch which is where fuel burns the hottest removing pollutions and other stuff). If you have an ecm set up for NB sensors it must work in a range the sensor can handle 100%. plus minus 1 point from 14.7 afr is where these read the best. the biggest mistake is people forget its not the sensor doing the work its just a messenger to the ecu which is programmed to take the data and do a job with it. Alter that data and you get the lower afr you want for more power from the fuel. NA 13.2 on gasoline. some companies make Wideband sensors with a module that has two leads one in NB voltage the other wide band voltage. which ever your ecu uses fee that data to the ecu. On a Buell it uses NB data there fore with correction on you must use NB voltage. the ecu will now receive much cleaner signals. this is only data. the ecu(ecm) still does the work with the data. with the data clean and working as well as the data in the ecu set to the values you want. the afr will run where you like it. I set mine stacked 13.2 to 14.2. mine stays in that area at all times. disables it goes wild depending on temperature , and ect. There is more to it than one thinks and I only know what I know. A sensor is only the messenger to fuel correction. The sensor does not car what afr it has it just reports to the ecu. For those who want to learn more http://quarterjr.com/ spend a little money and read learn and ect. To see why correction is needed get this. http://quarterjr.com/density.htm once done tell these guys why you don't need the sensors.they will tell you the same as I did and others. piggy back are a bandage and crutch period. (Message edited by Xoptimizedrsx on March 09, 2010) | ||
| Mountainstorm |
As iggerant as I am I have to agree with ya man. If these machines were meant to run without sensors they would not have them in the first place. Which is why I sold my Pro Tune III and bought an EBR ECM. It just made more sense to me. Later if I hit the lottery I can always get the tuning SW from EBR and twiddle the map. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel-injection plus this one. Its Plan Jane why thing are used. I really like the FX table chart. (math Geek Thing) | ||
| Eece_ret |
Or you could do the same thing with ecmspy ON the EBR ECU??? | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
http://www.answers.com/topic/oxygen-sensor last link. | ||
| Newtobuells |
not much thought put into this post, but my other bike,a zx14, doesn't have o2 sensors and it runs flawlessly from idle to 11000 redline. no surging period at any cruise rpm and smooth power delivery no matter what the weather conditions. afaik it's an alpha-n injection system, no map or maf sensors present. now i'm not knocking the 1125, i love mine and all its idiosyncrasies, just trying to understand why this bike has to have them. | ||
| Moosestang |
Mike, I find it hysterically funny that you claim you can't tune using a narrow band o2 sensor, but you are happy to let the ecm do that very thing, in closed loop and to a lesser extent in open loop. When you use words like "Period", it makes you sound arrogant and I stop listening. The 02 signal is used to make finite fuel adjustment in order to reduce emissions. I could just as easily say an O2 sensor is a band-aid for a poor closed loop fuel map. | ||
| Blake |
"I could just as easily say an O2 sensor is a band-aid for a poor closed loop fuel map." You could say that, but it would be incredibly ignorant. | ||
| Sleeper_777 |
Hello Rockstar, I have a 2009CR with o~s~b. I enjoy the configuration so far with no ill side effects. Regards | ||
| Justa4banger |
Hey rockstarblast... sorry to thread jack, it is not my intent, but i will not stand by while blake takes cheap shots at me and tries to discredit my work... | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
its cool, im kinda lost on the whole thing i know what happened with your ebr ecm, KINDA. lol there is just so many options. i didnt want this to turn into another "one of thoes" threads but it happens im just trying to filter the stuff out and just read what the person has and what they think of it. now im hearin about this PCV set up... ugh idk sheit about tunes and common sense, its a buell product for a buell. but at the same time you dont buy a a GMPP for your chevy just cuz its sold by chevy or a ford racing part just because its sold by ford, there are other companies that have better stuff sometimes. with this tuning stuff i dont know my a$s from a hole in the wall. i just dont want bad a/f ratios or flat spots. and yes id like to gain some power esp spending 250+ bucks but idkkk lol | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
never said you cant do it. I said it is not as accurate as a wide band. you dont tune to the sensor you tune to the data in the ecm thats preset or set by the end user. Plus the buell ecm as you forgot will learn in open loop. It just learns in a different manor. with a wide band you get tuning done faster and more crisp. what do you use on a dyno or a data logger for best readings to set the afr base map? A wideband or 4 gas. set the base map correct. Then let the sensor do its job for correction on the fly under different loads and conditions. Setup this way its more accurate than with out sensors. read a little deeper you're getting close. Taking the sensor out of the ecm that was designed to have it is like riding a bicycle with a flat tire. You can do it but it is not right. the only way to taake it out is to reconfigure the ecm. no tuner besides the ebr tuner has direct power to do this alone. You have to do it in the hex data in the eeprom page. Even then it gets all jacked up under different conditions. mike | ||
| Moosestang |
You could say that, but it would be incredibly ignorant. Saying period is ignorant. Why do you continue to insult people on your own forum? Seems counterproductive and............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ignorant. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Period | ||
| Blake |
"Saying period is ignorant. Why do you continue to insult people on your own forum? Seems counterproductive and ... ignorant." Firstly, you are confused. I attacked your opinion, not you. Big difference. To attack you, I would have had to assert that "you are ignorant." I stated that the statement would be ignorant. I stuck to the issue that you raised, something you seem incapable of doing. Secondly, if you say something really ignorant, be prepared to be confronted on it. Don't like that policy? Leave. This Buell Forum values accurate and informative information that is thoughtfully presented. Anything else can take a hike. Period.  How 'bout we go for a ride instead of this endless sniping. Short of that, how about we just stick to discussing the issues and leave the personal commentary out of it? Deal? (Message edited by blake on March 10, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
To further clarify: Anyone who prefers to post derisive commentary attacking others rather than discus actual issues is unwelcome here. We simply despise the miserable little gossipy nonsense. Such pettiness and miserableness adds little but pollutes greatly the atmosphere here. We simply refuse to tolerate it. When we see it, we confront it. If you are unwilling or unable to abide by our Terms of Use, then have the integrity to avoid posting here. From: Moosestang So you figure he's not up for the ride?  (Message edited by blake on March 10, 2010) | ||
| Dirty_john |
Engineers do their best to find acceptable compromises to problems given the limits and regulations that need to be complied with. Do you think that any supplier is in the habit of producing non-effective products given the speed of communication on the internet and how easily a reputation can be shattered. Lets give EBR the support needed, I am still waiting for my pump race ecu to arrive in the UK and I must admit my patience is wearing thin. | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
How 'bout we go for a ride instead of this endless sniping. Short of that, how about we just stick to discussing the issues and leave the personal commentary out of it? Deal? couldnt of said it better myself. with that said back on topic! so got the EBR ecm (my number one pick as of now) we have the other guys tune (what software is he even useing? i dont get it? did he make his own stuff? or is he using something anyone can buy or get for free. just took the time to figure it out and is now charging for it??) we have the PC V wich i dont know much about or how it works would love to hear more about. and then the pro tune 3 wich i think is junk... oh and when you guys go into the topic of closed loop open loop wide band and all the god stuff im lost so ill take a 101 on that if someone has time. i feel like for me to make a good decision i should know hwo this buell works. iv searched and get a million threads and they all lead to how this one does and i just get confused and end up reading "fights". thanks so far to everyone who has helped! | ||
| Blake |
Ya figure Erik Buell might know what he's doing? I just bought a race module from EBRAcing.com. Wow!. |
