| Author | Message | ||
     Forerunner |
...that Buell designed such an excellent and unique motorcycle whose life was cut short by the no talent assclowns at HD.  That is all. Nels | ||
| Superdavetfft |
I hear ya... I was in the HD dealer the other day killing time over lunch and it just disgusted me that they charge $20k for a fata$$ 650-700lb bike with 68hp (according to various web postings). Buell charged half that and gave you twice the bike.... *sigh* superdave | ||
| Syonyk |
Yeah, but the Buell didn't have a Rich Tradition of American Heritage and Endless Personalization Options to Express Your Individuality while Enjoying The Road That Starts And Never Ends... That's worth something! I mean, you can't even put a chrome set of *pipes* on a Buell. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
And they don't have Screaming Eagle parts for em to make the performance up to par... R | ||
| Lastonetherebuys |
yay lets make it custom by putting every little shiny trinket that any one can come into the shop and buy for themselves..... thanks but no | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It's soooo wrong in soooo many ways. You don't know what ya got until its gone. | ||
| Skratch |
Lol. That sounds like my brother. I have an Ultra that I've done a couple things to (because I liked them) and he always tells me "oh...you gotta get this...and this...and this..." He's OVERBOARD HD. He put over $15,000 into his last HD and then bitched and moaned when he wanted a new bike and couldn't sell his for over $30,000. DUH!!! I don't complain about the power tho. I knew what I was getting. When you buy a Porsche you expect it to go like a bat out of hell. When you buy a Cadillac you buy it for ride, not power. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I don't know about these people. I look at HDs and think what a POS and WHY would anyone want to ride one? Overpriced. Overweight. Slow. Ugly. No handling. Just lame as hell. For the life of me, I don't understand people's infatuation with the HD brand. | ||
| Skratch |
Its called subjective. | ||
| Eece_ret |
But they are rebellious (in a conformist kinda way) | ||
| Louisiana_xrider |
Overpriced. Overweight. Slow. Ugly. No handling Overpriced= yes Overweight= plausible, Slow= in factory form, Ugly= depends on perception, !!No handling!! This is from only my own experiences, but i have ridden a street glide recently, and if i can compare it to my Honda VTX1300, it Handled better than i could ever dream of a cruiser handling. It was effortless to throw it in the corners and just a slight roll on the throttle and your up, out of corner. (Granted it did have the 103 cu. in. kit in it) And you want to talk about comfortable, with the exception of feeling like i was on a dual sport, because of the seat height, it was a pleasure to be on. I love my vtx simply because it is de-badged, and when a r.u.b comes up to me and ask "What kind of harley is that?; it looks good, and sounds awesome" I just get to laugh them off and say "It's a Honda!!!!" Harley brought the Sporster XR1200 to the states and is hasnt sold worth a flip for them, but If anyone would take the chance to ride one, it is an awesome bike,and LOADS of fun, of course its not Comparable to any of the Buell's, but in its own right, flat out fun. Harley is having major problems of there own, just trying to keep the doors open, so i can understand where cutting Buell, made since to them. They can Focus on the Harley brand SOLELY. It would have been nice if it was sold back to Erik, and him continue to run it, BUT, maybe that was not an option for him, or a want. I do not his personal feelings about what harley made or did to the company, may be there was an offer for him to buy it back, maybe not. But no matter what, he is continuing to work with these bikes, and not leave his passion or followers behind. I am positive that he had "NON-COMPETE" Clause in his contracts with Harley.Which would't allow him own another bike company for a while. He is still a live and well and i am positive that as long as he is capable, we will continue to see New and Better things from him. | ||
| Skratch |
I've had 3 HD's (2 I still have) My XL1200R goes like a bat outta hell. Its my fun bike until I got my 1125R Both my previous Heritage Softail and my current Ultra handle like a dream. My Ultra handles (imo) better than the Heritage as my Heritage scraped the floorboards way too easy. I'll bet I have less than 1/2" of chickenstrip on the tires. Not one complaint about that bike as its easily the best, most comfortable bike I've owned. Its not a sportbike, but for the tank that it is its surprisingly well balanced and easy to flip in and out of turns. As far as comfort, it's second to none. I didn't buy it to go 140 mph. It will cruise at 90-100 very easily tho. | ||
| Forerunner |
Just to clarify, HD motorcycles have a place in this world. While I'm not a fan, people looking for that style, sound, and heritage will only be satisfied with an HD. The conversation stops for me when some HD riders talk about how it's the best bike, bar none(there are Buell riders that think this way too). As my astute associates have pointed out, HD is diametrically opposed to performance and value proposition as compared to other makes. My beef is with the boneheads at HD that made the decision to axe Buell. Just a colossal, shameful, waste. Nels | ||
| Kevinjgray88 |
ya i was overseas when i bought my 1125r then about 2 weeks later found out they shut down. FML | ||
| Skratch |
Whats performance? Thats subjective and opinion. Period. | ||
| Furbaby |
I`ve got two HD touring bikes, two Buells, two Hondas, 6 Vespas and 1 Lambretta. I love them all and pick the one that suits the mission or event. They all have strong and weaker points.Five hundred mile days on a 850Lb. bike is a good ride, but I sure wouldn`t want to race that one, a 1125R or XB12s is just great to ride the twists and turns. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Just to clarify, HD motorcycles have a place in this world. Yeah for geezers or yuppies with a mean streak. | ||
| Forerunner |
Whats performance? Thats subjective and opinion. Period. I respectfully disagree. Lap times. Acceleration. Top speed. Cornering ability. All very demonstrable. All extremely objective. G-meters and stopwatches don't care about the make. Nels | ||
| Brumbear |
The Only Harley I ever had that was worth a shyt was an aermachi sprint sx 350 every sportster I owned was a POS and even though I liked my 92 Fat boy I broke it every time I touched it. I had a wide gilde i flipped that I would have kept if some yuppie didn't give me almost 3 times what I paid for it back a few years ago. I do like my old 51 servi car chopper but it's just for looking at I don't ride it it hasn't run for years. | ||
| Syonyk |
Yeah, have to agree with Forerunner. Performance is quantitative. One bike can be measured to outperform another bike. Harleys are pretty bad at all aspects of it. Now, "ride comfort" or something is a bit more subjective, and "style" certainly is, but there's no real way to claim a Harley excels at certain aspects of performance, because they get their bags handed to them by most other modern bikes on the planet. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Forerunner Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 04:35 pm: "The conversation stops for me when some HD riders talk about how it's the best bike, bar none(there are Buell riders that think this way too). " A HD is a gas powered vibrator and many argue the best for getting P****, and having a high load capacity. | ||
| Old_mil |
you can't even put a chrome set of *pipes* on a Buell. Just chrome your headers...and they look a helluva lot better than they do on a Harley.} | ||
| Skratch |
Smoothness, comfort, riding fatigue over distance. Those are different aspect of how a bike performs. Not everyone rides on track day. Its meatheadedness to compare a sportbike to a cruiser/touring bike anyway in almost any aspect. Thats just being pissy to be pissy. I don't care if people like HD or not...I just find it funnier than hell how easy people here will insult other people's preferences who in the end have the same passion. Riding. Chevy/Ford - Canon/Nikon - Windows/Apple - Buell/HD People have preferences that don't make them right or wrong. Just preferences to the type of riding they're doing. In case you've forgotten, how many Buells have a Sportster based engine? | ||
| Forerunner |
Smoothness, comfort, riding fatigue over distance. Those are different aspect of how a bike performs. If we took a poll, it wouldn't surprise me if more people identified the classic definition performance as 0-60, top speed, etc and what you just defined as 'rider comfort' which I agree is subjective. Not everyone rides on track day. Correct. But whether you do or don't it is still a hard performance metric and not 'subjective period.' Its meatheadedness to compare a sportbike to a cruiser/touring bike anyway in almost any aspect. I'm sure folks more knowledgeable in this class of motorcycle can name cruiser/touring bikes that can outperform(classic definition, see above) HD in many aspects. What they can't ever do, as I stated earlier, is provide the same heritage and styling. If this is of importance to a rider, there is no substitute. I don't care if people like HD or not...I just find it funnier than hell how easy people here will insult other people's preferences who in the end have the same passion. I hope you didn't find any disparaging words from me re: HD motorcycles. People have preferences that don't make them right or wrong. Just preferences to the type of riding they're doing. Agreed. In case you've forgotten, how many Buells have a Sportster based engine? Which if I recall has been modified from HD duty and is wrapped up in a lightweight, nimble chassis. Nels | ||
| Skratch |
If we took a poll on this website you're absolutely correct. Look, I (as a HD and Buell rider) didn't bring HD into the discussion. And no, Forerunner, I don't direct comments at you as far as being disparaging. But even you have said (as well as countless others) things attune to HD that are non-comparable. You want to talk performance, fine. But trying to compare a Buell to an HD really has no place or comparison here. Are there cruiser/touring bikes that outperform HD? Certainly. Just like there are bikes that outperform Buell. For as many people that don't like the looks/performance/styling of an HD there are an equal if not greater number of those that feel the same about Buell. I happen to have loved the 1125R from first site. I bought it AFTER reading mediocre reviews in many major magazines. I bought it after I read interviews with Erik Buell and respected what he's done. I bought it knowing that I'm buying an American made motorcycle which is important to me (moreso in this economy). Contrary to the recent reviews of the new HD's and they are pretty highly regarded. They just aren't going to do wheelies in 3 gears like some I4's. Who the **** cares? Its preference. I'm new to this board and the world of Buell. I'm proud of it. I'm looking forward to putting tens of thousands of miles on my 1125 as well as my Ultra. But there are some fanboys (this time I'm not retracting it) who simply for their hatred of HD because of the Buell deal are insulting to, I would bet, a great many HD riders out here. Let me tell you something fanboys....as much as you, I or anyone else loves Buell, its gone for now. Get over it. That doesn't make HD a bad company of their bikes crap. They've been here over 100 years. And Buell has done....what?? I'm not sorry if this offends people. I'm sick of thread after thread after thread of bashing HD as crap one day, BMW riders as boorish snobs another. Then another day I see thread after thread after thread of people having problems (minor/major or otherwise) with their Buells and bashing HD bikes (which in turn is bashing those that ride them). Gee...thats not calling the kettle black. My opinion of Buell is as high as ever. My opinion of the openmindedness of its owners, or at least some of them on this site, is changing rapidly. But I guess thats because as someone who has ridden (since 1982) Kaws, Yamahas, Honda's, HD's and now Buells that I'm now considered a....wait...gotta go back and check on it... Oh yes, a geezer or a yuppie with an attitude problem as coined by Fresno. Or to be classified by Lastonebuys as someone who will "make it custom by putting every little shiny trinket that any one can come into the shop and buy for themselves." While some people here buy every little performance piece they can find to "personalize" it in their own way. Kettle - black. I really enjoyed this forum when I joined it. But my enjoyment level has taken a nosedive in recent days. At least on the HD site, whether someone is a douchebag or not (and then kicked off the board for being a douchebag) they respect all riders and their rides. It appears this is a cliquey little club with no room for anyone that doesn't fit into their own nichey little world. Adios children. | ||
| Hogzilla |
Love my Harley. Love my Buell. Both for different reasons. Ride what ya like and enjoy it. Simple as that. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
Sign me up with Hogzilla. I've had several H-D bikes starting with a '93 Sportster 883 and then a selection of Dynas and Softails. Always perfectly reliable and no surprises. My first Buell was an '00 X1 (hence the Millennium, albeit misspelled, User Name). It has some quirks  My '09R is my current favorite bike over the past 20 years. Mike | ||
| Forerunner |
But trying to compare a Buell to an HD really has no place or comparison here. No sir, nor has anyone tried. But there are some fanboys (this time I'm not retracting it) who simply for their hatred of HD because of the Buell deal are insulting to, I would bet, a great many HD riders out here. Not sure why anyone would be insulted by what other people think about their motorcycle brand unless they're worried about image. What do you really care what people think about your motorcycle? I'm secure enough that it doesn't bother me that bikes exist that are faster or cheaper or perform at a higher level than mine. Let me tell you something fanboys....as much as you, I or anyone else loves Buell, its gone for now. Get over it. That doesn't make HD a bad company of their bikes crap. The single action of discontinuing Buell does not make HD crap. It does call into question their financial prowess for paying $180 million to shut down Buell rather than selling it off. I find it hard to imagine that it would have cost more to sell. Apparently more than a few stockholders share my view. They've been here over 100 years. And Buell has done....what?? If this indeed is your measure of what makes a good motorcycle that is clearly your choice. I think most here feel differently and have in fact chosen a motorcycle brand which has just ended over a brand with over 100 years in business. It is good to see your true opinions on the matter as you attack the brand that this forum is dedicated. But I'll bite, how about the first mass produced motorcycles to incorporate underslung mufflers, fuel in the frame, oil in the swingarm, and perimeter brakes. Admittedly, HD has innovations too including in recent years fuel injection and most recently a bike that attempts to capture the spirit of a model from 60 years ago. Adios children. Your ad hominem is not becoming and does nothing to further your argument such that it is. I resent being called 'children' after showing nothing but professional and courteous dialog with you. If you are indeed leaving I for one will not miss your participation in discussions. Good day. | ||
| Hogzilla |
Milleniumx1, Exactly! I've had an FXDXT (one of the best handling HDs ever), a Street Bob (current bike, so comfy and enjoyable for a lazy day out) an Ultra and a Road King. All of them have been rock solid and reliable. The performance next to a 1125r superbike isn't even a comparison, but that's why I have one. So when I'm in the mood to just carve up some backroads and hammer it in a straight, it's there. I just love bikes. Who cares what's, what. Hell, I'd love to have an FJR in the stable if money wasn't an object. And maybe one of those new Can Am Spyder touring bikes. Or a Bimmer GS. Ah, the list goes on. (Message edited by hogzilla on March 04, 2010) | ||
| Brumbear |
I never considered myself a fanboy I like a lot of motorcycles and have a few makes and models. However the more I learn about this fanboy accusation I like it. I am a fanboy of Buell and all things motorcycle except hardly davidson. I can't get my head around paying top dollar for crap and no not speed I mean everything cruddy brakes sluggish steering piss poor suspensions in comparison to other machines in the h-d class. And some fit and finish problems that I experienced may be isolated but it doesn't change anything as far as I am concerned. The machines are fairly crued and heavy in comparison to alot of other machines in there class. they are balanced well and some may ride decent but I can't get as I mentioned around the fact that they could do so much more and they don't. Buell lives  |
