| Author | Message | ||
     Mikezx9r |
oh lastly i do agree this board is way biased... which is to be expected.... it is a Buell forum.... i just didn't expect the responses i got in recent past... I followed your thread cause I was considering the EBR ECM. It was one of the things I had in mind when I made my post and is a good example. Your results werent what everyone wanted to hear, so they bashed you and tried to make it your fault or the dyno operators fault instead of admitting that the almighty Eric Buell may have made something that wasnt perfect. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Jules Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:16 am: J4B Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:39 am: Well focused and stated. dannybuell | ||
| Froggy |
Funny, I got two in the garage one is an 08, the other is an 09, and both of them run great, and have no modifications that cannot be removed in 30 seconds. My biggest issue to date was a burnt out tail light bulb. My Suzuki needed $800 in out of warranty service, spent a month in the shop, and had half a dozen issues in the year I owned it.
When you make any exhaust changes, you NEED to retune the bike. They run lean enough as it is from the factory to pass emissions, all you would do throwing a pipe on is cause harm. Hell the same can be said about anything with a motor when you start mucking around.
Mine are my year round daily transportation, I lack access to a car and need to make arrangements to borrow one for the few times I would actually need it. For me reliability is high priority.
Badwebbers (non 1125R owners at least) are among the nicest and most trusting people you will ever meet. Yesterday, I had a guy ship me 2 large boxes of parts before he sent me the bill. I called him crazy, but he said he does it all the time, and is yet to be stiffed by a Badwebber.
They pretty much are perfect. All the issues are minor and easily resolvable, and are likely to show up and be taken care of during the 2 year warranty.
There is a difference between voicing concern over an issue and being a douche or a troll.
But both my 1125's are perfect. My XB has been funky, but that probably has to do with the extensive modifications I made to it.
Wrong. Blake raised the BS flag, because Eece_ret's story sounds so horrible it can't be true. Was I there to witness these consistently bad experiences? No. I am not saying they are impossible, but this would take the cake for the worst dealer experience I have read on here over the years.
A good chunk of the time, problems are user error, then they bitch when warranty claims are denied because they ran their bike with the wrong type of oil causing an engine failure.
You will get biased opinions everywhere. Look on sportbikez.net forum, 90% of the Buell related comments are untrue and rehashes of things that were semi-relevant about Buell 15 years ago. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Another thing I notice about these bikes are the owners. Not by actually meeting them, but from what I see on here. Most people are helpful, but some act like the bikes are perfect and there are no problems. Have you ever considered that some owners have not had any problems? I have had almost no problems in 24K on my 05 XB9sx and my 09 1125 has been awesome so far as well. Im leaving on a 3000 mile trip with it in 3 days. Thats not something I would do if I was worried about breaking down. Keep in mind this is where Buell owners come to ask questions on how to fix problems. I don't log in to post that my bike still runs fine today. | ||
| Justa4banger |
Hey Mike.... I agree the fuel drip issue sucks.. infact i recently got my own Cali canister to allieviate that issue. this is a very valid gripe IMO. As for the forum...ehh i don't care. i'm still moving on, and doing my thing... i get what i need and anything new i find out keep to myself... people who want the info know what to do. OP sucks your bike has had its moments, but honestly once its got the kinks knocked out of it, the bike rocks.... besides, i love having people GUESS at what the hell kind of bike i have, especially with the fairings, since MANY metric owners have never seen the fairing kit... it shocks them even more when i can keep up (to a point) with other liter bikes and whoop up on 600 and 750's... Granted the rider is the majority of the bikes performance, but still the metric riders i know are used to the older XB's.. great out of the hole and then they look back to see if your still in the same zipcode...  | ||
| Froggy |
Get your facts straight. J4B bashed EBR unjustly when he was disappointed with his results. Rather than figure out why his numbers didn't look right, he posted nasty negative comments. Several people pointed out possible faults in his dyno run that could of affected it. Customer satisfaction is a high priority at EBR, and if something isn't right, they will make it right. Bitching and moaning on the internet won't fix your problems. | ||
| Jules |
Im leaving on a 3000 mile trip with it in 3 days. Cool - where are you off to and how long do you have to cover the 3000 miles? I am longing for the summer so I can get across onto the continent on mine. From here to the Euro Chapter's clubhouse is 550 miles which is a long day in the saddle...  (Message edited by Jules on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Eece_ret |
Froggy: Go ahead and pass me the icing cause I've got the cake. A big steaming pile of cake  LOL Seriously though, if my situation and the way I have explained it raises a BS flag... Please next time in Nor Cal, stop by GG harley located in Corte Madera, buy a bike, and a tub of Vaseline. After a couple months you'll thank me for recommending the Vaseline, cause you are going to get one in the rear... The time I was able to get in the saddle was awesome, they really hit a homer with this bike. Really, seriously, the design is perfect, the implementation and support are lacking, this is where I go bat sh*t crazy, wasted potential, cause no bike no matter how perfect on paper is worth its salt if you cannot ride it. (Message edited by eece_ret on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Justa4banger |
RPM4x4... it is true that on MOST forums, Only 10-15% of owners make up the forum themsleves. i'm sure that number is growing and i'm sure that this forum is higher than that given the lower production numbers of Buells vs active numbers... of those 10-15% of owners that make up USERS on any forum, alot of things can be said and make a product look good or terrible. Forums never show the number of HAPPY and Satisfied customers of Said product...why ....cause they are out enjoying their product and could care less about posting on a forum. I'm one of those owners that has not had an issue with the signals or weeping clutch, but i could be having an issue with the cluster... and did have a serious oil leak from the get go. WHen i bought my bike i bought it with the understanding that i have a 4 year warranty (2+2yrESP) and that warranty work will be completed.. HD never said they had to maintain parts in stock or in a warehouse. they just said parts would be available. I bought my bike thinking that repairs would take a long time in relation to other manufacturers.. oh well its the price i pay for getting a bike 50% off.. i also bought my bike knowing that i would do 90% of the services myself..... The guys i feel for the MOST are the owners that bought their bike before the Drop dead date HD placed on Buell.. they bought their bike thinking parts and in warehouse stock levels would be maintained and that their bikes wouldn't take months to fix due to awaiting parts...... those guys i feel for them alot, it sucks because they are stuck..... i hope that for them, they get plenty of service life out of their bikes without much warranty issue | ||
| Justa4banger |
Get your facts straight. J4B bashed EBR unjustly when he was disappointed with his results. Rather than figure out why his numbers didn't look right, he posted nasty negative comments. Several people pointed out possible faults in his dyno run that could of affected it. Customer satisfaction is a high priority at EBR, and if something isn't right, they will make it right. Bitching and moaning on the internet won't fix your problems. Umm Froggy You need to get your facts staright....i will not bother saying anymore though.... My mistake was bashing EBR where Buell loyalist don't want to see it... | ||
| Blake |
Mikezx9r Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:43 am: Most people are helpful, but some act like the bikes are perfect and there are no problems. For some apparently their bikes are perfect and have no problems though I'd not call anything man-made "perfect." Trolls like you however seem intent on peddling nonsense that the bikes are all unreliable garbage, best thrown away, not worth the sticker price. Anyone who spends time posting that kind of miserableness on a Buell Enthusiasts' forum is without a doubt a liar and a troll. Bank on it. "If you fell (sic) otherwise about that, they tell you to sell your bike and leave. I dont know if its that they are in denial about the bikes not being perfect or they need to feel like they are perfect to justify their purchase. Besides Froggy here, I'd like to see where anyone ever offered the idea that any Buell motorcycle is/was "perfect." They didn't. They don't. The truth is simple. You are a liar and a troll intent on maligning the brand and those who ride them. "Hell, you even have the owner of the site calling people liars if they say they have a problem with the bikes." Never happened. I call people who willfully post malicious falsehood liars. They are. I've offered advice thousands of times to folks who have had a problem with their bike. Again, you are the liar, that is now well established. That you are a liar intent on badmouthing Buell motorcycles and their satisfied owners on a Buell Enthusiasts' forum makes you a liar and a troll. Again, this is now well established. Why you are here investing your free time on such a miserable pursuit is one of the queerest of human defects. I'll never understand it. Some people are just plain miserable. "You have people trying to twist it around and blame the problem on the owner of the bike." The actions of the owner are indeed sometimes the root cause of a problem. I don't see anyone trying to twist or blame anything on anyone, merely offering their experience and observations. Whoa unto the Buell hater that anyone might reveal a mistake by an owner that caused a problem. Plenty of folks have caused problems on their motorcycles. Most if not all folks here can attest to that. I sure can. My dealership solved the problem for me in about ten minutes and was nice enough to not laugh out loud in my face as they well should have. I'd have joined in with them. To pretend that owners don't sometimes cause problems with their bike is dishonest, par for the course for someone who is already well established as a liar and a troll. | ||
| Blake |
Liars suck. "Your results werent what everyone wanted to hear, so they bashed you and tried to make it your fault or the dyno operators fault instead of admitting that the almighty Eric Buell may have made something that wasnt perfect." First, the man's name is "Erik". I can attest here that in my view Erik has never made anything that was "perfect." He has made some amazing excellent motorcycles and advanced the technology significantly. The case you mention was one of an emotional indignant person responded publicly to his singular case of performance issues with an EBR Race ECM choosing to wage malicious inflammatory attack over rational discussion, characterizing the EBR product as "garbage". This after taking money from people to dyno-test his own motorcycle. The truth is that all of us were interested in the facts. We were not at all interested in being subject to an inflammatory temper tantrum or a display of arrogant indignation. The man apologized and the issue was dead, until you brought it back up again. Why would a person do that? Why come to a Buell enthusiasts' forum to badmouth the brand and attack the people on the forum? Get a life, go away, leave. We simply don't tolerate trolls here. (Message edited by blake on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Justa4banger Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:11 am: Umm Froggy You need to get your facts staright....i will not bother saying anymore though.... My mistake was bashing EBR where Buell loyalist don't want to see it... Well, I stand corrected. Apparently I underestimate the character of the man. My bad. Add one more troll to the list. More interested in "bashing EBR" than rational productive discussion. How unfortunate. | ||
| Jules |
Jeez Blake - was that absolutely necessary? Personally I think Mike was swinging around to the Buell way of life, his posts of late have been a lot more consiliatory. I can certain understand his frustration, I've been through that myself when I bought my first niche bike. I doubt any of his expectations would have been unreasonable on any mainstream bike and he really does seem to have started to accept the fact that Buells aren't as close to perfect for every day road bikes as the Japanese offerings. Personally I'd rather win people like Mike over to the cause than drive them away. I like the fact that when a UJM owner asks me why I bought a Buell I can say I've tried most of the jap offerings and found them lacking and Buell offers something unique which is why I have one. It's a shame we can't all meet up sometime and share a few beers, I have a feeling that we'd swap some (tall) stories and enjoy the banter and probably aagree to disagree on a few fundamental points | ||
| Justa4banger |
 here we go again.... Who invited this guy??? LOL | ||
| Syonyk |
Never happened. I call people who willfully post malicious falsehood liars. They are. I've offered advice thousands of times to folks who have had a problem with their bike. Again, you are the liar, that is now well established. That you are a liar intent on badmouthing Buell motorcycles and their satisfied owners on a Buell Enthusiasts' forum makes you a liar and a troll. Again, this is now well established. Why you are here investing your free time on such a miserable pursuit is one of the queerest of human defects. I'll never understand it. Some people are just plain miserable. What the h*ll? Based on my experiences (which, apparently, I'm a liar and troll about as well), I see nothing unusual about the OP's experience with the dealerships. If my bike had more serious issues and was leaking, I expect I'd be posting the same things if I were at the dealership I bought the bike from. The quality of the dealerships selling Buells ranges completely across the board from "Excellent" to "Will you get this damned plastic thing out of here and never bring it back?" There are plenty of people who have had good experiences with the 1125Rs. However, there seem to be a good number with bad experiences - mostly because the quirks/QC issues of the bike are not dealt with reasonably by the dealership network. There are also issues in the realm of "character," "quirks," or "things that should have never left the factory." Take your pick. The 2008/2009 1125Rs are competing with other motorcycles from the same era - most of which are much more refined. Oil leaks from the factory shouldn't be considered acceptable at this point in time on a new vehicle. A dealership taking a month to fix the issues on a new bike shouldn't be considered acceptable. Or delivering a bike straight out of the crate 3 weeks later with 100 miles and oil leaks. I suppose it really depends on what you're using the bike for. If it's a weekend bike, the issues don't matter a whole lot. If, like many people here, you're using the bike as a daily driver, the idea of not knowing how long your bike will be in the shop is a bit worrying. Personally, despite the problems I've had (which make me not doubt the OP's story at /all/), I think the 1125R is a very good bike. I just wish it were sold/serviced by someone (anyone) but Harley. I'd say that from what I've read, many if not all of the frustrations are caused by the dealerships doing a garbage job of service/support. If you've got a good dealership that likes Buells, great - just remember that not everyone does, and some of the dealerships seem to actively hate dealing with Buells. | ||
| Justa4banger |
nevermind cause it doesn't do anything but create more issues, i don't need them... (Message edited by justa4banger on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Eece_ret |
Syonyk:  If I had the money I'd send the bike directly to EBR for a proper shakedown an 1190 kit wouldn't hurt either... Not that the bike needs it, I'm just a glutton for speed. | ||
| Jules |
Columbia eh? Could you post me a small package, shouldn't cost much. it'll only weigh a couple of grammes... | ||
| Justa4banger |
Columbia eh? Could you post me a small package, shouldn't cost much. it'll only weigh a couple of grammes... Are really sure you want to ask ME for that stuff???? | ||
| Mikezx9r |
Haha. I think someone is about to have a coronary. I had a response from other posts typed out, but the power flashed and I lost it and dont have the time to retype it. I just want to see where I lied about anything on this forum? Im sure this request will go unanswered though. | ||
| Jules |
LOL - what? You have an aversion to titanium fasteners? What were you thinking | ||
| Justa4banger |
i know what i was thinking, but great comeback to change the subject LOL And its ColOmbia... no "U"....  (Message edited by justa4banger on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Jules |
Spelling never was my strength... Diplomacy on the other hand.... (Message edited by Jules on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Jules, Mike is a proven liar. What do you see as conciliatory in his lies trying to malign me and BadWeB in general and Buell motorcycles? What is conciliatory about suggesting to 1125 owners that if they paid near list price that they should push their bike into a canal to collect on the insurance? Huh? Did I miss something? I don't think so. What you yourself are positing wrt Buell motorcycles is in my opinion nonsense. Buells are not nitch bikes deserving of any special consideration in the way of quality or reliability. I've personally owned four Buell motorcycles and one Yamaha. The Yamaha was by far the least reliable, most problematic of all. Rusting fuel tanks, recalled for EPA intake mod, then didn't run worth a darn, over-heating, rusted out exhaust system, constant carburetor problems, multiple fried stators, failed starters, disintegrated seat upholstery, all in less than 18K miles. I gave that nightmare away along with a parts bike I had bought to try to keep it running. In its place I bought a 1997 Buell Cyclone. I still own one. What an amazing motorcycle! My experience since with all my Buells has been a dream in comparison to that Yamaha nightmare. I know far too many other very satisfied Buell owners to accept what you are trying to sell. Buell motorcycles are among the best in the world, period. It's a damn shame that the trolls have been allowed a podium here on a Buell Enthusiasts' forum to spout their venom. I'm not interested in it. I don't think the majority of BadWeBrs are interested in it. I think we don't care to see it at all here. In case anyone may have forgotten, the very beginning of our terms of use, the terms to which all must agree when registering for an account here, states the following:
If a contributor here cannot honor that, then he doesn't belong here. Period. Ask yourself, after seeing Buell Motorcycle Company recently killed-off by Harley-Davidson Incorporated, what kind of person would register on a Buell Enthusiasts forum in order to post disparaging commentary against Buell motorcycles or the efforts of Erik Buell? Seriously! What kind of •••••• up selfish, indignant jackass would do such a thing? My answer: Not anyone I'd care to have contributing to this forum. | ||
| Blake |
Again... Terms of Use Buells ROCK! I am a Buell Motorcycle Enthusiast and wish to contribute positively to and participate thoughtfully in discussions on BadWeatherBikers.com (BadWeB)! If not, then bye-bye, don't let the door hit you in the behind. | ||
| Syonyk |
Ask yourself, after seeing Buell Motorcycle Company recently killed-off by Harley-Davidson Incorporated, what kind of person would register on a Buell Enthusiasts forum in order to post disparaging commentary against Buell motorcycles or the efforts of Erik Buell? Those who *have* Buells and are frustrated by the lack of dealership support, and assumed that by purchasing a new motorcycle, they would not have to do all the work on it themselves to have the motorcycle competently fixed. | ||
| Mikezx9r |
I still dont see where I lied about anything? I also didnt suggest that anyone that paid full price should push their bike into a canal. I stated thats how I would feel. Also, I didnt/dont come here just to bash Buell. Ive said numerous times recently that Im very happy with the way my bike is running now and it is pleasant to ride. Ive also asked legitimate questions on different topics and added in things that I found and made doing something easier. It was a civil discussion in here until you came in and started calling people names. | ||
| Blake |
"I just want to see where I lied about anything on this forum?" Open your eyes and read what you have posted in this thread. Your posts are full of lies. The most blatant being "Hell, you even have the owner of the site calling people liars if they say they have a problem with the bikes." Never has never happened, does not happen, will never happen. You are a miserable liar and a malicious one at that. | ||
| Mikezx9r |
Never has never happened, does not happen, will never happen. You are a miserable liar and a malicious one at that. You didnt call the OP of this thread and Justa4banger liars? |
