| Author | Message | ||
     Mikezx9r |
Syonyk: AGREED! 100 mi is ridiculous. I'm starting to lean towards your friends path The comedy there is I sold my 954 to buy this shop wh*re Sell a honda to buy a buell to return it to buy a honda. Ouch I think I brained my damage. I have a similar situation. I didnt sell my old bike, my fiance rides it now. I gave it to her and got my 1125r. I only got it cause it was cheap and I wasnt feeling the looks of any current Jap liter bike. The cheap part is on its way out now after having to buy a $150 stand to be able to lift the rear of the bike and having spent over $2k to get the bike to run right, plus having to fix the fuel leak these bikes come with and denoid it. I still am probably going to get a steering damper for it, so thats another $500. For the $9500 Ill have in to this bike, I could have spent maybe $1000-1500 more and gotten a bike that would be trouble free. Right now, I have more $s into my 1125r than I have miles on it and thats not even including the purchase price of it. Im more or less happy with the bike until I think about how much I had to spend just to make it run like it should have when it came out of the factory. | ||
| Jules |
Wow Mike - what did the $2k go on to make it run right? I think I've spent a similar figure but that's on "accessories" as it's running just fine (for me)... | ||
| Mikezx9r |
It didnt run very well stock. I got the O S B tune, Jardine slip on and K&N air filter and it still didnt run well enough. Finally, I had to get a PCV and get it dyno tuned. Im still stuck with the O S B that I cant even sell now. It took hours of dyno tuning to get the map right with the PCV. The PCV and dyno came ended up costing more than the slip on and K&N, but it was worth it cause the bike finally runs right. I can break everything down if you want to know the exact numbers and what they added up to. Its probably slightly under $2k with everything, but very close to that number. Thats with me doing all labor except for dyno tune. | ||
| Cheddarheads4erik |
Hmm, you're not going to like this but; you handed over $7800 cash for a "new" bike without seeing a machine? Then, later accepted receipt of a used and abused machine which you have publicly acknowledged here? The idea that this machine was laid down by someone else is actually secondary, as it is speculation. Was this your first time buying a vehicle from a dealership? Motorcycle dealerships are no different than car dealerships in that we WANT them to be honest and friendly. However, the phrase "Buyer Beware" has to ring a bell. #1.) NEVER hand someone cash without receiving/inspecting the product paid for. Period. Laws, ordinances, statutes, and the BBB can't get your money back from the salesman that's in Brazil. That goes for buying a Buell, Honda, or a Subaru. Sorry for your troubles but chalk it up to a learning experience; while I hate scam artists and grifters and scheisters, you handed over cash without an inspection or even a bike to look at. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Chedder: 1: This was not a Craigslist purchase from Brazil, Kenya or Timbuktu, at arms length, via intermediaries, sorry to say but I feel your thoughts here are a little skewed. 2: No, this was not my first purchase of a NEW moto FROM A DEALER (4th new one to be precise ). 3: Was it was naive to pay for the machine before taking receipt of the bike? IMHO not really, as this pretty much jives with many buying experiences for Motos. Let me explain. The previous three NEW moto purchases all three bikes were viewable on the showroom floor, but had no fluids or battery. This is SOP for moto dealerships. With every one of the three dealers the bike required a day or two in the shop for final dealer prep. So chiding me for purchasing sight unseen is not really applicable as even if the 1125 was on the showroom floor they would have still needed to do the prep (little things like gas oil batt etc), so what was dry on the showroom could be wet after prep (oil leak perspective...) Should I have waited to pay in full until after the bike was in my possession, maybe, but not really feasible given the distance to the dealer. Also seeing how this was exactly how the previous 3 purchases went I didn't think much of it. It was not until things started going south that flags started to be raised in my mind. In the end the only way I can agree with your train of thought here would be if you were telling me it was dumb to take DELIVERY of the bike, vs. going down and inspecting the bike prior to accepting it. Even then, I expected that a DEALERSHIP would be able to properly handle the sale of a motorcycle. And point of fact I asked that I view the bike and was told it was in their remote warehouse being assembled (again, BS, I later found out they had no remote warehouse) (Message edited by eece_ret on February 23, 2010) (Message edited by eece_ret on February 23, 2010) | ||
| Eece_ret |
Chedder: I do however appreciate your thoughts and opinion in this matter. If you had been riding shotgun during the purchasing of this bike things may have ended up a bit differently.  | ||
| Vinb |
You know I think I'd like to just give you my mower I posted up earlier so you'll have something to ride LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM2B0i1v_fo&feature =youtube_gdata | ||
| Eece_ret |
 very down! You know you can drive those on public streets without a license! All is not lost... My trusty Yamaha FZ-1 still provides me with much joy... She misses her bunk mate though, as do I | ||
| Vinb |
I'm guessing it would do about 80mph the only thing about that is you may not live through it LOL I just stick to burnouts | ||
| Blake |
Doesn't pass the stink test. Such is the internet and rife with trolls intent on defaming the Buell brand. | ||
| Mikezx9r |
Its a conspiracy. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Blake: huh??? I in no way defamed the Buell brand (HD on the other hand...) Nor is that my wish. I am quite proud of Buell as a company, I have friends who are Mech. engineers who work for a company building ROV's for deep sea Geo surveys, their shop is very similar to what Buell had going on (I'm pretty sure they even use the same modeling software). This was something that drew me to the Buell, performance with a great story I can kinda relate to. It hasn't been ALL bad, other than it being in the shop so much I have to say the bike is amazing, took me awhile to get used to so much torque on tap so low in the RPM range, took me a bit to get used to riding the Yamaha after riding the Buell for the three or so weeks I have had it. Forgot I had to let it spool up to 4500 + to really feel the love (ie thrust ) So think what you will call me a troll if you like , doesn't mean shiza to me (Message edited by eece_ret on February 23, 2010) | ||
| Ride4life |
Eece, sending some positive (hopefully engine) vibrations your way man. Had planned on selling my Ducati 848 and my girl's Ninja quickly when I took delivery of my CR. However, I'm thinking the smart play is to keep on of those ponies in the stable at least for the upcoming riding season in case I have any bugs to work out with the new bike. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Thanks for the vibes... Truly hop'n this is just a speed bump at the beginning of a long enjoyable ride. | ||
| Jules |
@Mike - that does indeed sound like a good way to burn $2k easily... I suspect I'd have done exactly the same if the weather hadn't conspired against me and meant my R still only has 175 miles on it and I'm using the GPz until the weather turns. @ Eece_ret - I bought mine "sight unseen" from a dealer too, in fact I'd never heard an 1125 running when I paid cash in full for mine and the first time I did was when I picked it up 3 weeks laters so I can understand why you did the same. you're a lot more patient than me, when you wrote about almost punching the sales manager I honestly thought to myself "I would have just laid him out" - you're a better man than me! | ||
| Syonyk |
Eece_ret: Don't worry, Cheddar and blake will just claim you're a ... er, what do you have? yeah, you're a Yamaha sales shill doing a poor job on a Buell board. LOLOLOLOLOL... or something. I posted my experience, which was not as bad as yours but still pretty crappy, and mentioned that I'd test ridden a BMW afterwards. Clearly, I don't own a Buell and am just a BMW sales shill, according to Cheeseheads for Denial of Reality. ======= These types of experiences are NOT UNCOMMON. The •••••• quality of service received at Harley dealerships is a common thread. Calling it what it is doesn't mean anyone is trying to sell something else, it probably means they're pissed at spending $8000 or more on something brand new, expecting it to be usable, and finding out that the dealership network selling the bikes doesn't give a shit, doesn't want to work on them, and flat out lies about things. | ||
| Captain_america |
My CR has been at HD now for 9 days for a belt change .... errrrr 11 when its done. | ||
| Syonyk |
Nope. You just hate Buell and Harley and all that is Good and American and come to spread lies and smear Buell. Clearly. Something. o.O How does it take 2 weeks to change a belt? Did they not have the part in stock and had to order it? Sadly, I'm getting the impression this is where all the 1125s are going to end up - sitting, waiting on parts. | ||
| Cheddarheads4erik |
OK, it wasn't your 1st dealership purchase. I've NEVER heard of somebody paying $7800 cash for something and walking away empty handed? I'm not accusing this guy of being a shill for anybody. I'm saying if you buy a motorcycle unseen, without a test ride or inspection, and then STILL accept the "new" bike with an oil leak and 100 miles on the odometer? Goofy shit man. I see little room to complain about being deceived or lied to when these were your purchasing circumstances; a demo bike that was supposed to be new, delivered with oil spray all over the machine? You bought it anyway? Ummm. What's your complaint again?; Somebody beat/demo'ed the crap out of what was supposed to be a new bike for you, that you paid cash for unseen w/o an inspection, and you bought it with all these red flags waving in your face anyway? I just missed the last turnip truck. Somebody fill me in here? | ||
| Syonyk |
He was told it was in the crate, and still needed to be assembled. It's *reasonable* to assume that a dealer: - may want (some) payment up front before assembling a bike that's been sitting in a warehouse - won't put unneeded miles on a bike being built out of a crate for a customer - will disclose any damage that occurs while the bike was being built - will repair said damage before delivering the bike to the customer It seems the dealership rather substantially lied. This seems to be a trend with Harley dealerships: Sales at any cost. | ||
| Captain_america |
It took 4.5 days to get the belt in. Then the service guy was sitting in it until I showed up and said "is my bike done?" then he was like "oh, looks like it came today I'll have someone start on it. It will be done in the morning" ... I got no call. So I called yesturday and was like WTF!?! Dude was like Idk brother all we do is twiddle our thumbs on Sundays and Mondays... No managers in sight. Talked to the manager today and he said they got a R belt instead of CR. Now it won't be done till Thursday... | ||
| Blake |
In my view anyone who creates a thread with a title like "Time to throw in the towel??? " is nothing but a troll looking for attention. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Syonyk:  First let me clarify something... I in no way am, or have ever been associated with the sales, service or any other business aspect of power sports equipment (other than buying them for personal use). I mention other brands for reference to other experiences I have had. I am in no way endorsing or otherwise promoting ANYTHING. If I say I like something it is because it has preformed in the way I expected, no fuss, if I say I dislike something it is because it is not up to snuff IMHO. I do not even hold Buell responsible for my current plight. As with all aspects of strife, if I have a problem, I walk up the chain until I find help or hit the top. In this case the top is the go F yourself MoCo. This is who I have a bone to pick with. Also I get pretty spun up with with hypocrisy, of which HD is chalk full of. Corporate preachs quality, but have obvious issues with QA both in production and design (cam chain tensioner on a twin cam 88B ring a bell...), they say "buy one and join the family" and then screw you like a cheap hooker, they preach we are American, we stand for freedom buy a Harley and support the US and all that ra ra cheerleader BS, only to screw over with extreme prejudice those who are supporting them, namely Americans! If you cannot walk the walk then shut the F up and stop the talk. They are completely full of s**t, I guarantee if HD did not have the laurels of their past to rely upon this company in its current state would fail so epically (which it actually kinda already is) Ax'ing Buell in my book was the LAST straw for these idiots, they took the one item that could bring them a new up and coming generation of riders and flushed it, way to go f***tards | ||
| Syonyk |
Blake: Have you considered that people who create threads like this may, in fact, be really frustrated with spending lots of money on a bike that they can't ride? Or get crap support for? That maybe the Hardley Motorcycle Dealerships that support the Buells don't actually give a rip about supporting them? Just because someone says something bad about Buell doesn't make them a troll. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Blake: Um not so much... I thought places like this were for like minded people to seek information, advise from each other pertaining to a common interest. In this case Buell moto's. The title of the post is quite apropos, I've reached a point where I am not sure what to do. Keep up the waiting or cut my losses and seek a buy back from HD. I was hoping I would hear from some of the excellent in the loop types that seem to post up here often (some appear to be techs either with corporate or dealerships), with a scoop that could give me a glimmer of hope. But if it makes you feel better I could have named it sunshine puppy brigade looking for sunny advice on rainy situation in smurf villiage or some other crap | ||
| Syonyk |
No, I think he would rather you not post your problems, and only post "OMG MY 1125R IS SO GREAT IT EVEN GIVES ME BLOWJOBS." Don't worry, I got the same crap in my thread expressing my strong displeasure with Harley service/etc. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Chedder: please explain to me your purchasing experience. I have never heard of a dealership busting out a bike from crate until the payment is furnished, (or financing has been lined up, either way the dealer has the full purchase price in hand). Syonyk was dead on when he posted QUOTE It's *reasonable* to assume that a dealer: - may want (some) payment up front before assembling a bike that's been sitting in a warehouse - won't put unneeded miles on a bike being built out of a crate for a customer - will disclose any damage that occurs while the bike was being built - will repair said damage before delivering the bike to the customer It seems the dealership rather substantially lied. This seems to be a trend with Harley dealerships: Sales at any cost /QUOTE Some of the items you chide me for could not be noticed until I had a couple hundred on the ODO, like the oil leak, it took some time to build up enough to be noticed, that said it first looked like something leaked on it from above (like a crate of oil may have leaked while in storage) same goes for the water pump. You seem to be under the impression that I bought this bike from a private seller. In which case your info is spot on 100% accurate. So I believe a few points of clarification are required... This bike was purchased as a NEW bike still in crate, from an authorized Buell/HD dealer. The items above required the bike to be ridden to become evident. I cannot see into the future. Morally, personally and legally I have a reasonable expectation that an authorized dealer would perform in a professional manner in the ways outlined above. | ||
| Eece_ret |
 (Message edited by eece_ret on February 23, 2010) | ||
| Syonyk |
No, he's not under the impression you purchased it from a private seller. He's under the impression that Harley Davidson can do no wrong, Buell makes the best bikes on the planet with no compromises, and anyone who says otherwise MUST be a troll that is trying to tarnish the perfect name of Buell, and clearly is not a person who should own a Buell. "It's a Buell thing, you wouldn't understand" and all. He did the same shit when I griped about my experiences with a dealership/quirks with the bike. | ||
| Black |
Hmmmmmm, Looks like Syonyk has had a pretty bad experience. I'll take him at his word. Glad he has found another dealer, if I read that correctly. On the other hand, I think you guys might want to cut Blake some slack. There are, unfortunately, plenty of instances of trolls on this board. Again, I'm taking you at your word that things have happened as you say they have. Please let us know how the new dealer does fixing your issues. I hope you will have good luck. |
