| Author | Message | ||
     Mountainstorm |
I could not agree more heartily. As a guy that makes his living with his hands and brains, I support other tradesmen and mechanics in their efforts. Anyone that is friend of the Buell motorcycle is a friend of mine. I appreciate your attitude BDG and I have no axe to grind with anyone. Dammit I wish it would stop snowing. Cabin fever is turning me into a postwhore. (Message edited by Mountainstorm on February 07, 2010) | ||
| Mikellyjo |
LMAO Mountain. I was wondering what was making me post all the time also. There has to be a 12 step process to get this monkey off my back.   | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
Thanks for the support. Small serious shops like ours are hoping that sometime soon EBR will have a dealer program, and we will qualify. Having a source for top quality performance/race parts that we can sell and install will sure help. Terry | ||
| Rodrob |
"Old Sweaty Balls" - wow, that is amazingly hostile. I just ordered the EBR ECM and am really anxious to get it. However it is worth remembering that we would not have access to this and other performance products from EBR were it not for the demise of Buell Motorcycles. These products come at a high price. I test rode an '09 1125 and loved it. Being ignorant of some of the problems, I bought an '08 because I got a great price. It ran like hell. Fortunately I happened across this site, and subsequently the "Old Sweaty Balls" site where a passionate guy had, at his own expense, found a way to use incompatible free ECM software and Excel with a laptop and cable to address the fueling problems of my bike. I paid $70 for the Excel spreadsheet, $60 bucks for the cable (from a different site) found the ECM software on the web, loaded Windows and Office on my MacBook, $300, and 3 days of trying to get the software to connect latter, had done what my dealer could (would) not do in 2 months. Now, "Old Sweaty Balls" gets lots of feed back that the ECM software is a PINTA so he funds the R&D and writes a program to upload his maps directly, for which he charges what he believes the market will bare. High markup? Maybe. Low volume? Definitely. Has the market changed? Absolutely. It has imploded. Personally, I would like to thank "Old Sweaty Balls" for providing me with the tools to make my, jerky, sputtering, bucking 1125r run like a bat out of hell. In fact, I would like to thank all the Buell tuners out there who are contributing to the effort to keep these bike running at their full potential. Will my bike run better with the EBR ECM? I hope so. I'll let you know. | ||
| Jdugger |
> "Old Sweaty Balls" - wow, that is amazingly hostile. I doubt it was meant to be hostile, honestly. This forum software censors (or at one time did) direct references to that particular solution for some set of reasons more or less not important to this discussion. As a result, a long litany of amusing and slightly different ways to refer to the solution have popped up. Sweaty Balls is just one of the ones to really stick, and it give me a giggle every time I see it. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Ornery Swaggering Beaver Obsolete Sad Bueller Onanistic Splooge Bunker It's just a secret code to fool Court Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
| Blackflash |
Why is it so hard to understand that the guy(s) that make the bike and race the bike and have spent the past decade or so getting there would know the bike and how to tune the bike? Why is that such a controversial and unacceptable notion? Is that why the flashes were so great. I hope your right. I'm optimistic. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Is that why the flashes were so great. Nope. Thank the EPA for that. R} | ||
| Blackflash |
So you can thank the epa for the 5th flash??  I have the 4th with no problems. Alot of speculation.I dont think they were held back by anyone.ddfi 3 was new and they had to figure it out. My opinion.I believed they released the r way to early. I know my car hasn't been in for any flashes. Im not trying to open a can of worms here but think about what was posted. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Rodrob, no offense was intended by "old sweaty balls".. Jdugger is right about it being one of those censor-bypassing nicknames that just stuck. I've only got 90-some miles on my '08 as I just bought it in December and as with much of the country, have been experiencing less-than-favorable weather for motorcycling. That said, the bike seemed to run great during the few miles that I did have the opportunity to put on the bike. It could stand to be a little smoother below 3000rpm in trailing throttle conditions, but other than that I don't really have any big complaints. Of course I really ought to withhold judgment until I've got at least a few hundred miles under the Buell's belt. While your '08 may have been a bucking, sputtering beast, it may well have been that way because it didn't have the most recent flash in it. I quite frankly haven't checked the flash version on my bike either despite having bought a cable. I plan on buying an EBR ECM not necessarily to cure a poor-running condition with my bike (which, as far as I can tell, doesn't exist), but because I plan on adding an exhaust and maybe a K&N and want to make sure that I don't compromise how well the bike runs stock. Picking up drivability and power with the EBR ECM are definitely bonuses but not my key motivation. My point is that you may not have needed to spend $300+ on Old Sweaty's tune when a newer and/or better factory flash would have probably made your '08 ride as well as the '09 that you were smitten with. Wouldn't you have rather gotten your '08 to run like the '09 for a free flash from the dealer rather than a bunch of money out of pocket? Sure, the bike will probably run better than the best factory tune, but is it that much better to justify the significant added expense if all you were looking to do is fix a poor-running condition? | ||
| Rodrob |
The latest flashes were installed and made some, but not enough of a difference. If you have not addressed the remaining fueling issues of the system, you really don't know what you are missing in terms of the motor's untapped potential. | ||
| Justa4banger |
Wow theres a ton of speculation on this thread... | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Rodrob, I guess I'll find out when I get an exhaust, K&N and an EBR ECM.  Justa4banger, there's nothing wrong with speculation, IMO, as long as nobody gets too douchy (douchey?) about it. Hopefully I'm not there yet! LOL (Message edited by thefleshrocket on February 08, 2010) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Here's something from EBR to lessen the speculation: "Hello, The stock muffler track day cal was generated from a 49 state US cal. It smoothes the power a bit up top, and you may, depending on your riding style note accel and decel power delivery a smidge different. It’s a pretty subtle upgrade for track day duty. That and a bunch of street required items are turned off like the secondary throttle control solenoid, etc. This cal is not formerly available on the site yet, so be patient, we’ll get a part number pulled and release it soon. We think it’s a worthy track day bike upgrade. The pump gas race ECM starts from the Daytona Sportbike calibration, adjustments are made to deal with oxygenated pump gas and the like. Most people with slip on mufflers are raving about it. The base DSB cal was quite refined and track proven. The adjustments made to it to accommodate pump gas were subtle as well, but necessary. We leave the 02 sensors on so the engine remains happy during closed loop operation, and compensates for altitude, etc. like a stocker. For now please order the Y0152.10AZ pump gas ECM for your track day bike with the slip on muffler. Give us a bit to get the stock muffler cal ECM up on the site store." | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Nice bit of info there! | ||
| Ponti1 |
Thank you for sharing, Fresno! When they say "For now...", what are they referring to? Running stock pipe with slip-on tune? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
No problem guys. I would hope everyone would do the same, so we might collect good solid EBR info. I am sure those guys at EBR have better things to do than answer emails basically asking the same questions. The "for now" is added because my original email started on the premise of having 2 bikes and 2 separate tunes--one with the slip-on and one with the stock pipe. He is not suggesting to run the stock pipe with slip-on tune. However, I have replied asking what the results would be if we were to run a stock pipe and slip on tune. I will let you guys know what the reply states. | ||
| Justa4banger |
I imagine the tune for a slip on with a stock muffler will be way rich... the fuel maps compensate for airflow that isn't present. depending on how rich it might make for some cool red headers and warm seats... Also MPG would suffer. after my dyno today with the WBO2 in the header i see alot of potnetial in making the fuel mixture a bit richer. near 14/1 a/f ratio at WOT is crazy in my eyes... its not how i learned to tune for max power. Hell in the Nitrous world you would need low 12/1 ratio and boosted apps need richer than that in most cases.. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I imagine the tune for a slip on with a stock muffler will be way rich... the fuel maps compensate for airflow that isn't present. depending on how rich it might make for some cool red headers and warm seats... Also MPG would suffer. The stock exhaust has been described as not all that restrictive. Also, I thought lean conditions lead to excessive heat, not rich mixture. | ||
| Justa4banger |
Lean or extremely rich fuel mixture will do the same... Lean will get you there faster.. Hell aggressive timing can make cherry red headers, but it takes a long time, RETARDED timing though can get a header cherry red really quick. I've seen it all .. hell i used to make my header glow in my car when the car was sitting on the 2 step. (secondary rev limiter that ignition cuts and retarded timing at a given RPM). Setting a turbo car on a 2 step will help build boost while sitting still, like at the drag strip, the flip side is the headers glow in the dark. | ||
| Blackflash |
Just4Banger is a standup guy.Gidderdone and keep us posted. Good stuff | ||
| Fresnobuell |
+1 | ||
| Easyrider |
Duggran, I still have too see, if the EBR exhaust and ECM, will make more, Power and how much. My idea is if it is making more power, it will be on top end. But not more then 5 HP I think. For sure It will NOT make more power at low RPM. That is the only reason we build the exhaust. I already tested the ECM. long time ago look in this article: http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/artikelen.asp?aid=56 I also would like to know what this setup brings in terms of HP and Torque but even more AF on WOT. So if somebody dyno's let me know. | ||
| Duggram |
Dris, I've studied that page a few times. It's the reason I got the TH and programmable ECM with your map. But I believe the real question on this thread is how good is the pre-calibrated ECM from EBR? I look forward to seeing some real objective data using an aftermarket slipon. I'll start another thread with comments on your post to follow. (Message edited by duggram on February 09, 2010) | ||
| Easyrider |
Cool.. I can't wait (-: | ||
| Rodrob |
Just received my EBR ECM. Of course its raining cats and dogs. I will try to get it in Thursday. | ||
| Justa4banger |
ROD ROB, you suck.....  I'm still waiting on my ECM (supposed to be here today) and i had a sunny day......not anymore though | ||
| Rodrob |
...Oh look...  Its clearing up!!!  | ||
| Rodrob |
So I just took my first ride with the EBR ECM. Short Story - it's great, but... Background - 2008 1125r that sputtered and bucked and generally ran like hell below 4k with most current flashes installed. Installed D&D slip on - things got worse as one would expect. Used 3rd party software to tweak my stock ECU which generally solved the problems and made more power. I say "tweak"because did not get into extensive remapping. Just general A/F and O2 sensor tweaks. But the improvement was dramatic. Today - installed EBR ECM and went for a spin. Now I am not a Dyno-phile as most here. I am more concerned about overall ride-ability and not the ultimate race/HP tune (for now at least). The EBR ECM is a noticeable, but incremental improvement over my stock ECM with the tweaks; not a quantum leap. Overall Power - is about the same, but the EBR provides a noticeably smoother curve. Fuel Economy - too soon to tell, but my nose tells me the EBR is slightly richer at low speed. Instantaneous MPG looks about the same at a given RPM and SPEED. Throttle Response - one area where the EBR shines. The roll on response of the EBR is much smoother at the bottom end of the throttle. This translates to a much more controlled and secure turn exit. I don't get the sudden burst of power that I was getting from my tweaked ECM. Low RPM smoothness - great. At least as good, perhaps better than my tweaked ECM. I have no problem putting around in 4th gear at 3K (not that one should). First impressions are that this is a worthy upgrade if you are moving from a stock system to a free-flowing intake and exhaust system. If you have already done extensive re-mapping with the stock ECU, the improvement might be marginal for the cost. I'll update as I get more seat time. (Message edited by Rod-Rob on February 10, 2010) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
rOB, Nice honest assessment. Thanks. I am like you--going from a global AFV increase (about 10% on the front and 5% on the rear, based on locking at 100% with starting values, 89.5F and 94.5R.) It's been a god send, however i know it's not the best way to improve the OEM lean condition. I believe the EBR is the "correct" way to richen the mixture. Mine should be here next week. I can't wait. |
