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Ogobracing
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm considering removing the passenger peg assembly to clean up the looks of the bike.

However, I saw a post on here sometime ago indicating the assembly might provide some protection if the bike goes down. Has anyone had experience with that? If in reality they will help protect the bike, they stay.

Also, if you remove them where did you route and attach the gas vent?
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No_rice
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sure they can help protect the tail section and things like that, but with a hard enough hit they will also twist the subframe. not that you cant twist it back,. but it can happen. mine got bent in far enough it would hit the swingarm. nothing a little bit of muscle didnt fix so i could ride it home.
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D_adams
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For what to do with the vent line, follow LBQ's idea.

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Blur
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I vented my vent hose between the swingarm and along the inside of the right peg.

You kinda just need to see where it can go and get creative.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The passenger pegs do protect the bike in a very significant manner. I went down at 60 and the peg took the brunt of the grind. Without it I am certain the swingarm would have been seriously damaged as well as the tailpiece, turnsignals, and perhaps more.
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Illbuell
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the great book of Buell...

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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I took them off the X-1 and the 1125r anyway : D
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Duggram
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My only question is how much of a slider are the passenger pegs? Of course I took them off my track bike, but I wander how much damage they would have prevented.
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Sparropie
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find a nice fat passenger to be the best slider...
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duggram I think they are a very useful slider and preserved my bike from a great deal of damage that axle sliders would not have prevented. Back of the peg is quite beefy and appears to be made to survive a long scrape. The weight difference between the scraped and unscraped peg assemblies is pretty large. I'll dig them out of storage and re-weight them if you want.
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Poppinsexz
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got tired of the darn gas dripping and installed the california evap can. No more line to worry about.
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Yamatr3
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's what I did.

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Sportbikermed
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I laid mine down going only about 20 mph and while the passenger peg did save my tail section and held up well, it twisted the subframe enough that it actually split tubing. I had to remove the tail section and take it to a welding shop for repair. They didn't feel comfortable with the strength of the material if they simply repaired the existing piece so they cut out about a 5" section of the tubing and replaced it. Was a big hassle. So anyway I made the best of it and fabricated a fender eliminator while the bike was apart. After reassembly I took the passengers pegs off to greatly help the looks and figured it would be just as easy to repair/replace the tail section should I ever lay it down again. I bought a short section of rubber tubing and rerouted my gas line around behind the right peg and used a short bent piece of the hard plastic tubing that's behind the passenger peg to kick it out so the gas doesn't drip on the exhaust. Will try to post some pics in a couple days.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yamatr3

could you explain what you have done. I am so unfamiliar I don't know what to look at in the picture.

thx

dannybuell
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yamatr3, what exactly did you do there and what kind of results?
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Sparropie
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 01:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like it's just capped off...
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Okoutlaw
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that's a one-way, vented check valve from a dirt bike. i have a similar set-up on my DRZ-400. I have wondered if this would be a viable option on the 1125? It looks like the Daytona Sportbikes from last season had a hose going up to a catch can in the fairing, which is what first gave me the idea to try this. I'm interested to hear some feedback from Yamatr3 on how his is working.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So would this allow the vapor to just release in the air? The cooling and condensing in the line is the problem right? Can't you just cap it on the stock vent line?
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Okoutlaw
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So would this allow the vapor to just release in the air?

On the dirt bikes, it allows vapor in but no fuel out to prevent vapor lock. Not sure if it will work on the Buell. Hopefully Yamatr3 will chime in for us soon. I may have to go pull mine off the DRZ and play around with it. It's just so cold out there right now : (
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you do that, open the gas cap slowly in the Summer.
The tank-frame will pressurize as the temp rises, might even cause structural damage given the right(bad) conditions.
Keep an open vent, keep the line short to condense less from vapors.
I routed mine back to original early 08 spot but out enough to miss the mid-pipe.




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Yamatr3
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry boys, I had to work hard today and couldn't get back to my computer. As Okoutlaw said, it is a one way check valve. as you use gas in the tank, it allows air to come in. I have used these on my supermoto bikes and RR bikes for years. the main reason for a catch can on a race bike is so gas does not spill onto the track. This valve will not let gas go back out of it. I've had it on my bike for 400 miles and no problems.
Zmac, it will not pressurize the tank, it allows air in just like the original vent.

(Message edited by yamatr3 on February 08, 2010)
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yamatr3 - I understand that the valve doesn't pressurize, it lets air in so you can't vapor-lock the tank.

The engine heats the frame, gasoline vaporizes, that pressure has to go somewhere.
The OEM vent allows that, it's bi-directional; your check valve does not, it's one way.
I have seen mine gasoline-geyser once.

Tell me it's a good idea again in 4 months.
This will be my third Summer on the 11.

Zack
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Yamatr3
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zac, I'm in Florida and have already ridden it in 90 degree weather. The check valve has not affected it bad either way. When the bike is running, the fuel pump is pulling gas out of the tank, thus relieving any pressure build up. I would be very surprised if that much pressure builds up like you are thinking. I'm sure some does, but not enough to create a geyser like you describe. Now if you ride the bike to a gas station, let it sit for five minutes, then some pressure will build up, but you have to remember the check valve is a small piece of rubber. If that much pressure builds up, it will blow that thing out in two seconds.

(Message edited by yamatr3 on February 09, 2010)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 01:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well if you have the stock vent, then you pressure is still being relieved. I will agree with Zac, if you plugged everything it could be very bad.
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Yamatr3
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just an update on this, Zac and Fresno are correct, it is not a good idea to put a one way vent on it. It is fine while running, but 5 minutes later in hot weather, there is alot of pressure that builds up. Much more than I thought would.
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Yamatr3
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

double post sorry.

(Message edited by yamatr3 on February 21, 2010)
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