| Author | Message | ||
     Mountainstorm |
Wait a sec I gotta change my shorts. Night and Day. The bike has been transformed. The exhaust sounds different, the throttle response is about instantaneous. Cold start is not an issue. I plugged in the Race ECM calibrated for Pump Gas, Slip On Exhaust, K&N Filter and reset the TPS. Bike started perfectly and after a few moments settled into a normal idle. Exhaust sounds so much better now...fatter, more mellow. Because of my schedule and the weather and all that BS I did not get to take a decent ride yet...just a quick blast up and down the highway and back home. I might have to suit up and get out there...it's so nice to feel the 1125r with the new calibration. I won't be getting to the Dyno until after the weather clears up but I am looking forward to seeing the changed...I sure can feel them. I could not get the front wheel up in 3rd gear with the stock ECM (my fat ass is the issue) but with the Race ECM I was able to snatch it right off the ground with a little wheel spin on top of it  Warning: do not get aggressive with the throttle in first gear...I just about shat myself...it's a beast. | ||
| Xnoahx |
I wonder if there would be any benefit to getting one of these with just a K&N and the stock exhaust. I dont really want to go the loud route and I like the look of the stock pipe | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Sounds awesome! Did you have it stock before? I.E., no tune? R | ||
| Hdwrenchtx |
What slip on are you using? Got my ECM today. Icy out. Sucks | ||
| Dannybuell |
Mountainstorm I am so happy to hear your comments about the race ecm. what type of slipon? your profile doesn't reflect your bikes current state. THX dannybuell | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"I wonder if there would be any benefit to getting one of these with just a K&N and the stock exhaust. I don't really want to go the loud route and I like the look of the stock pipe" Good question. IMHO, the aftermarket cans just don't look right on the bike. Too much empty space under? I wish they made a free flowing exhaust more like the stock. (Message edited by rocketsprink on January 29, 2010) | ||
| Mountainstorm |
@Xnoahx: compared to all the other options for tuning I'd say it's worth a try. Everything else costs more. I really do not know how the stock pipe might alter the performance of this particular calibration. @Carbonbigfoot: No tune OEM ECM. I tried the Jardine Pro-Tune III and was not overly impressed. It improved some things but it was not taking the bike to the level I wanted. @Hdwrenchtx: HMF. It started snowing on my second outing. I suited up hoping to get in at least 50 miles but after 5 I was getting snow on my visor. Supposed to lay down 12" here. @Dannybuell: Updated. Thanks for the reminder. @Rocketsprink: Belly pan? Drill out the stock one? Cut the thing open and poke around Man I wish I could be out riding right now. It's a vastly improved machine. | ||
| Ccryder |
Rocco: Torque Hammer Look here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/516952.html?1259076825 | ||
| Mrrickbo |
Mountainstorm, what ecm did you get? the 250$ or 750$ one? Does the lights and all that stuff still work? Can the ECM's be run on the street? | ||
| Dannybuell |
Can the ECM's be run on the street? 2 potential answers here: 1. Who is going to stop you? 2. Federal agents will descend from the sky onto your property to confiscate your bike and make your life miserable for 10 years. they will also check and see that you have not removed the safety labels from your; gas tank, pillows and mattresses. :-) dannybuell | ||
| Froggy |
I think he means is it ridable on the street, or is it that much of a race setup that its useless below 7000rpm. Also, I leave my stickers on, and am a little upset my forks I just bought came reflector deleted. At least I have spares  | ||
| Dannybuell |
my bad sorry. Mountainstorm is saying the same types of things I did when I first experienced a race module on my 96 s1. On the S1 it was nothing more that an enhanced ignition curve, little more to it nowdays. I can't help believing that Buell knows more than anybody on this subject. a Race module just 'wakes em up' with improvements in all areas. dannybuell | ||
| Bllueman |
mountainstorm: i'm in wmsbg, va and we are getting 10 in today. i have a cr with fmf and 152 flash. i ordered the ecm from ebr and it is on the way. please tell me what i need to know about installing it, i have the service manual. also, i will be installing a k&n when i install the ecm. thanks for your help. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
until they make a belly pan that fits the factory side panels, I'll stick with the stock exhaust if that the only option. I like the free flow exhaust, but they still don't look right to me. Cover the dead space with a belly pan, and all is cured. | ||
| Timxb9s |
Another question. Does this race ECM deactivate the "NOID" also? | ||
| Ponti1 |
Anyone bought the "plug and play" race ECM that has also messed with self tuning via eBay performance flash utility? I am wondering what the gains look like between the two. The EBR route is WAY more cost effective, considering you get a new ECM along with the map changes. This could be bad for the business of HeWhoShallNotBeNamed... | ||
| Mountainstorm |
@Mrrickbo: Everthing works. The Gauge cluster displayed the odometer reading correctly and the functionality of the modes isnot impaired. Obviously a legal disclaimer needs to be inserted here: no Race Use Only product is meant to run on the streets and each individual needs to make that decision for themselves. Just like no one should ever excede the speed limit, right? @Froggy The EBR ECM makes more usable power across a wider RPM spread than the OEM ECM. I live on a steep hill. I can feel a huge difference in the bike crawling up the hill in first gear. The EBR ECM produces more grunt at 2K RPM than the OEM and throttle response at low RPM is more refined. With the OEM anything below 3K is problematic due to the lean condition etc. You know the story...stumbling...irregular speed despite steady throttle imput. The EBR ECM pulls very strong from 4K on up. No info on Redline changes. @DannyBuell: The Race ECM on the X-1 still feels lean to me. At WOT the X-1 will actually pick up speed when I start to close the throttle...pretty clear sign it could use more fuel. Nothing like that with the 1125r. The calibration feels optimal to me. @Bllueman: I did find out one thing everyone installing a RAce ECM from EBR needs to know. Unplug the Bank Angle Sensor (directly forward and above the ECM on the pod). This is critical. The Race ECM is using that input for the electronic shifter and if you leave it plugged in the bike will cut out at random RPMs and try to kill you (like a bucking Bronco). @TimXb9s: I don't know. I denoided my bike and fitted the dummy load. I do know the O2 sensors are on. Pont1: I think this is the beginning of the end of the Gravy Train for all the aftermarket tuners. Just as I had hoped the EBR product is perfectly tailored to the machine...no learning curve...no ass-rape of the wallet...and more importantly no so-called experts with their so-called perfect tunes that actually disable critical functionality of the fuel injection system. This proves that it is not necessary to disable the O2 sensors to maintain a good running performance tune. The main reason I stayed away from the ECM hackers. If the the ECM hackers were actually as smart as they think they are they could do what EBR has done: provide a Plug n Play experience for a fair price. But their egos will not let them improve...since they are sure they got it better than anyone (even Erik Buell). | ||
| Jdugger |
> Does this race ECM deactivate the "NOID" also? If you are having issues bumping into the 'noid, candidly, anything labeled RACE is not not for you. I'm not trying to be a dick. Just saying, there's a WHOLE lot you need to learn about your bike and extracting it's best before race parts will be worth the $$$ you spend on them. Also, the standard de-noid procedure is a "generally good thing" to do to your bike, anyway. It's makes the throttle's action lighter and the bike a good pound lighter. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
I think this is the beginning of the end of the Gravy Train for all the aftermarket tuners. Yes, it is. Unfortunately, "aftermarket tuners" includes anything other than OEM stock configuration- and EBR products are at risk too. As federal enforcement increases, based on "climate change" politics, scrutiny of the general public will become commonplace. The actions of individuals in threads like this one will result in federal indictments. If Buell could legally make its street legal bikes run as well as a race ECM-equipped ones, they would- but breaking federal law to do so was not an option. The feds have locked-down OEMs pretty well, their next target is the general public. It's coming... | ||
| Andros |
I have a dead spot around 3800 rpm with my jardine and latest update. I so hope the race ecm will fix that. Do you think so? | ||
| Dannybuell |
redbuelljunkie there is nothing new here, it's the same old story getting there is just a bit more sophisticated. on a my 96 s1(carbureted) it was the race module,pipe, and carb tuning. the low end torque of the s1 race module was night and day difference. power throughout the rpm range was so much sweeter. now things are a bit simpler, it's race module and pipe. does the gvmt test motorcycles in your area? if they are taking log dumps off of connectors it seems the next step would be to learn to put it all back to stock and reset the logs before going in for testing? anybody know the procedure for this? dannybuell | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
How to put it back to stock: 1. Keep your stock ecm. 2. Put it back on. That's not what has me worried. Random pull-overs with sniffers. That's what will mess up the game. R | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Last thing I want is for EBR or anyone doing tuning, selling tuning products or devices to incur the wrath of the Federales. But if this is supposed to stay a great big secret then why have online forums? The point is to share information. What you do with the information is up to you. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Carbonbigfoot a dual ecm setup that switches from one ECM to another? two physical ECM's or one physical ECM with two maps? I don't know. dannybuell | ||
| Timxb9s |
Jdugger, Thanks for not answering my question. I have no problem removing the 'noid. I just figger'd if I can just plug in race ECM and be done with it, killing two birds with one stone. I don't care about saving 1lb. of weight.( I can do that by just taking a good dump before getting on the bike) Don't care to have a lighter throttle feel either. I would just rather not have to do a hoobajoob w/zip ties and such to my throttle plates and add resistor plug to keep engine light off. If ECM would disable it. Then no worries. | ||
| Lastonetherebuys |
rather not have to do a hoobajoob w/zip ties and such you would probably be quite suprised how much zip ties are used in a service shop | ||
| Mountainstorm |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqzPfCjfM3M | ||
| Freight_dog |
a dual ecm setup that switches from one ECM to another? two physical ECM's or one physical ECM with two maps? I don't know. I was thinking exactly the same thing. One plus to the PC V is switchable maps. I would like an economy map for highway miles and performance map for track and backroad scratching with the ability to switch on the fly. The ability to plug the race ECM and stock in side by side with a switch would no doubt fit the bill. | ||
| Freight_dog |
That's not what has me worried. Random pull-overs with sniffers. That's what will mess up the game. Where does this happen? I don't think the Republic of Texas gives a rats ass about emissions. Ohio only tests cars registered in the biggest counties. Country folk get a pass. Even then they only test every other year. You can pollute all you want for 719 days, just put it back to stock for E-check day. Motorcycles? Not worth the effort apparently. Certainly this all could and probably will change, but for now... (Message edited by freight_dog on January 30, 2010) | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Being a Country Bumpkin has its advantages. Less car alarms to set off for one |
