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1340busa
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have two 1125crs i removed the belt guards. does anyone know if this will have any adverse effects?
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The belt might rub against the stock exhaust during downshifts if you remove the lower...
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Xnoahx
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

and you could have increased chances of gravel getting into the belt causing a failure
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It makes it harder for you to get replacement belts under warranty should they break. Oh, and it ruins the look. : )
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1340busa
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i think it looks alot better. ill try it for awhile.
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the look with the upper off - shows off the powdercoated pulley and wheel and makes the rear look less plasticky.

KeS
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Rockstarblast1
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

useless without pics! :-)
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Jng1226
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 03:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've removed the upper but kept the lower. Not sure what the upper does but I can see how the lower might keep some debris out of the belt/pulley.

Would love to swap it out for the American Sport Bike carbon pieces, but damn they're expensive! I hate the stock look. The left rear of the bike is ACRES of 80's Chrysler cheap plastic!

Jeff
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Kaotikevo
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

left side definitely looks "plasticky"
I'll be pulling off the upper guard before spring , right after i decide which exhaust i'm gonna run. Pic's would help alot.
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Jules
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I couldn't find a pic of an 1125 without belt guards so I photoshopped one - sorry for the poor quality.. Obviously this is just the top one removed, personally I think taking the bottom one off is likely to increase the chances of damage to the belt.


No top Guard
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On my track bike I pulled them both, but noticed the lower guard also includes an inside guide for the belt.

Looking at the guide, it was pretty clear the belt rubbed against it on a pretty regular basis, and if it were not there, some of that action was going to be against the stock exhaust.

Now, I have an after market pipe, and I've pulled both guards off the track bike. They are both shockingly heavy, and not having them in place makes rear wheel swaps a lot quicker/easier.

Personally, I wouldn't do it on a street bike or one with stock exhaust. But so far, I've been happy with the decision on my track bike.
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Moosestang
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It makes it harder for you to get replacement belts under warranty should they break. Oh, and it ruins the look.

I'm a no guard guy. I like to show off the huge rear sprocket.

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Hogzilla
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's always carbon fiber. : )
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Skntpig
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Moose

Did you chop the tail or buy a kit?

Looks good. Any other pics?
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Justa4banger
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also removed both upper and lower guards.. i think it looks better...


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Moosestang
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That picture was my chopped tail, but I've since added the jardine. My hack job didn't look very good up close, but I couldn't ride another second with that ugly tail.

The jardine works good, but it only had one bolt hole, so I added two more where the other stock bolts go.

I have since removed most of the chicken strips.

(Message edited by moosestang on January 07, 2010)

(Message edited by moosestang on January 07, 2010)
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Jules
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm - must say it does look better without them...

Just out of interest has ANYONE ever had a belt failure? Unless I am mistaken the guards probably serve two purposes (1) Keeping foreign objects out and (2) stopping the belt from causing damage/injury if it fails.

I know they're very reliable but the chain snapped on my TL1000S and did LOADS of damage to the bike (and the car behind)...
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Moosestang
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not a drive belt engineer, but i'd bet on number 2 being the main reason. If by foreign objects you mean pant legs, then I'd agree. I can't think of a time when something else would get in there and I ride on dirt roads.

I've not noticed the belt rubbing on the muffler. The outside edge has some rubbing, but I think that's normal with or without guards.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Just out of interest has ANYONE ever had a belt failure?




Yep, there have been several failed belts.


quote:

I can't think of a time when something else would get in there and I ride on dirt roads.




Here is the sprocket on my XB after doing dirt riding without the lower guard



It has chips like that going all the way around.
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Moosestang
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the record, when I say dirt, I mean sand, not gravel or even large sand. No guard is going to keep the sand I ride on out of the belt area.

Imagine riding on a sanding beach, only it's hard packed.
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Captain_america
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you think about it though, even with chains, crap (rocks and debris) can still get between chain and sprockets. I've never had any issues on my dirt bike... Maybe the chain and sprocket just demolish the debris and stand up better to the abuse, I don't know. Is it because the belt/sprocket system is wider than a chain causing it to be more vulnerable?
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Kaotikevo
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

as mentioned earlier, the lower guard has a guide to keep the belt aligned and out of contact with the stock exhaust. I like the look without either guard better, but for practicality and peace of mind, i'll leave the bottom on attached.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been riding 1500 miles in the last few weeks, with the lower guard off... i have no signs that the belts has ever come in contact with the exhaust...I'll keep an eye on it, but i haven't seen an issue arise yet.
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Jules
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a shame - it's the bottom one I find the least attractive.. But I see can your point that's probably the best approach
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the belt is going to eat a rock, it will be from the lower guard missing rather than the upper. My understanding is that there have been belt failures from a stone getting thrown up and caught in the pulley. So I've left my lower belt on. I don't see what real purpose the upper one serves, and was comfortable removing it.

KeS
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've seen belts with holes poked in them from rocks, still working, but it's only a matter of time before it would fail.
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I'll save myself some time in not having to remove them ... Preferences on looks are always subjective, and I happen to like the look better with the guards.

Mike
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you used up all that time you saved with that post. : )

KeS
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I happen to like the look better with the guards

I would be another one who prefers the guards on. The naked belt looks funky to me. The guards mesh pretty well with the bike.
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1_mike
Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh....they look cute without the guards.

Dirt protection (belt and pulleys) from the lower and the upper gives dirty water protection from getting on the shoulder and back of the rider and or driver.

Funny...everyone "knows" there a large sprocket back there..!
Unless maybe it's got a mirror on it.

Mike
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