| Author | Message | ||
     Budo |
My best pal is interested in a 1125 now that some folks are getting them for 50% off. Our local dealer, Bumpas still has them at retail. So, who is agressively selling the bikes? | ||
| Kidder |
You need to send a message to Ft_Bstrd. He works for Bumpus in Murfreesboro. | ||
| Averagejoe |
All of them should as harley is offering a 5k rebate. Surely they arent that ignorant | ||
| Kidder |
Budo, are you looking at their website only? | ||
| Budo |
"All of them should as harley is offering a 5k rebate. Surely they arent that ignorant" Well, yeah here in Memphis/Collierville. | ||
| Budo |
I had a few weeks ago stopped by and asked them about their pricing and at that time they had no idea what they were going to do. Do you think I would have more luck if I stopped by? (Message edited by budo on November 09, 2009) | ||
| Gotlime |
I think he means some dealers are only offering the rebate and no discount. So they are basically selling the biike at "MSRP" since HD is providing the rebate and the dealer isn't discounting the bike. Dealer here was doing that. I spoke to them on the phone and when I suggested they should discount the bike to get my business, they hung up on me. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Look at it this way though - there won't be any more. Ever. Anywhere. MSRP was a fair price for amazing motorcycles before 10/15. It still is. I just did a search for '10 UlyX for a customer. One each: AK, OR, KS, ME. PERIOD. Just trying to figure out why dealers "HAVE" to discount the bikes? I suspect that's part of the reason we're where we are now... | ||
| Gotlime |
Ratbuell, If you were talking to me, they don't have to discount the bikes. I wouldn't if I were them. Serious question: Were dealers discounting the bikes before the rebate? And not discounting them now? Is that a form of gouging? I just found a dealer who was willing to discount the bike. It appears it sat on their floor for 13 months. I would have preferred to deal with the dealer that was closer. But I was not willing to pay over 2k dollars for the privilege of buying from the nearest dealer. | ||
| Gotlime |
PS ratbuell, do you pay MSRP when you buy a car? Or asking price, if you buy used. I doubt people negotiating the price of a Buell is "part of the reason we're where we are now." No insult intended, Just a friendly discussion.  | ||
| Bettybuell |
I suspect (just a guess) dealers are discounting so they can hurry up and get out of the Buell business and get back to selling Harleys only and not have to deal with Buell folks (who tend to be a different crowd than Harley folks). I get the impression many Harley dealers feel the Buell business is a distraction and more trouble than it is worth. I read or heard (not a verified fact but I live near the factory and have friends that work there, or did) that 80% of the dealer network voted to drop Buell and that was instrumental in the decision to stop making them. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Gotlime - no, my comment was more board-wide in focus. It seems we are a group who "loves Buell" and "loves Erik"...as long as we can get things discounted to a ridiculous level. I'm not against looking for the best deal. I have posts here on badweb ad nauseum about the concept, though. "Best Deal" has to go BOTH ways, for the seller and the buyer. When I buy a car, I have a number in mind that I won't go over. If I hit that number, I buy. If we (emphasis on WE) can't hit that number at the table...I don't buy. But that's a different scenario entirely. People NEED cars for daily life. A motorcycle (and this coming from someone who rides EVERY DAY unless there's snow on the roads, which puts me in a 17 year old 150k mile Jeep) is a LUXURY ITEM. Hammering dealers on price is, at the most base level, unfair. You're looking at a TOY. If you can't afford asking price...don't buy the TOY. You (the empirical "you", not you as in Mr. Gotlime) don't have to have the toy to get to work, or to put food on your family's table, you are buying said toy becase you *want* it. If you can get a good deal on it, great. I think a LARGE part of "why we're here now" is because there were many dealers carrying the brand, who didn't give two shakes about it and just wanted them off their floors. Anybody can GIVE something away, there's no challenge to that, and many of them would rather have floorspace than get a fair shake out of the Buell they're selling, so lots of the bikes went out the door at what I will call an "unfair" deal - the buyer got a smokin' deal, but the seller shortchanged themselves and the brand by letting them go too cheaply, devaluing the product and the brand. And I don't think it could be termed "gouging" if the bike is being sold at MSRP, minus applicable incentives. Or, even at straight MSRP. Gouging would be difficult to quantify right now anyway, given the scarcity. Very soon we will start seeing the market take control of itself - in the near future, if you want a new Buell and are lucky enough to locate one you like...it's gonna be a crapshoot. Do you buy it rightnow for the asking price? Or wait, and "negotiate", and take the chance that someone else will step in and snatch it from you? Very soon - and we're seeing this already - you can't just go to the "next dealer" and get the same bike. The bikes will start selling for what the market will bear; if you want one, you have to pay for it because there simply aren't any others. And if you don't, the guy behind you might. And this is not speculation. As I posted earlier, I did a *nationwide* search for a '10 UlyX. There are FOUR. Period. If I were in the market for one...I'd do my damnedest to beat out the other three folks who were looking, and get one before it's gone. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
My dealer got a fair shake, and so did I. Having had a dealer license (musclecars, collector cars) for a few years myself, I'm not opposed to someone making an honest profit. Gouging is wrong, and so is an expectation that someone is going to take a loss when they don't need to. If my 09R was $12,450 MSRP, let's just say that the dealer costs was in the mid $10's fully burdened. They weren't having a lot of success selling them at MSRP, despite the fact (IMO) the bikes are worth every penny of that. So H-D introduces some 'new math' to the equation. If I could got the bike for mid 6's, and H-D kicked in the 5K to the dealer, then he still sold a bike that he wasn't moving anyway, and made a reasonable profit. I got a smoking deal, so I'm happy. I don't like that H-D killed Buell either. But since my dealer is my neighbor, I'm pleased neither of us lost anything because of it. Mike | ||
| Gotlime |
I agree Rat. That's why I said if I were a dealer, I would have held onto my bikes and sold them at MSRP minus rebate. But I do think dealers who stopped discounting when the rebates came out should have done things differently. And hanging up on a prospect is usally not a good idea. I will needs parts, service and accessories and I will NEVER step foot in that dealer's showroom. And I will do everything I can to discourage others from shopping/servicing there. | ||
| Nickg |
rat, no offense, but I have NEVER been treated as poorly as when i walked in a Harley dealer...I guess most of the RUBS and traditional Harley customers just pay the price...well, that explains why they are in free fall now doesn't it? The age of the average Harley customer gets older every year i bet. Not good. They need to bring NEW (read younger ) customers in to fullfill their future sales needs...the dealer base does not want to or have the means to DEAL with younger people because they JUST DON'T GET IT. NO ONE pays retail in te real world, not only that, but the fact that they don't deal costs them customers. I went to the buell dealer to buy...i was approved for the $ and they still wanted $1000 over what i paid. I wanted to spend locally...I likely had thge impact that got other guys the deals that they later got..I gave them every oppurtunity to come close, they chose not to. Will I service my bike there? nope... customer lost when they could have EARNED my business. their loss...anothers gain, overall it does not speak well for the type of dealers HD had... I suspect that THEY were the downfall of Buell...nothing else. Had Buell been separated and sold at other dealers, they would have done well i suspect | ||
| Gotlime |
Sounds like Nick and I had a similiar experience. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Budo, We consolidated all the Buells to the Murfreesboro store. We have Rs priced at $7995 ($5000 plus $500 below MSRP) with no dealer prep or add ons. TTL is extra. Give me a call. I'd love to work a deal for your friend. Jeremy 615-708-8835 | ||
| Nickg |
the thing is, I work in the automotive buisness, have for over 20 years. I get run up and down for pennies....pennies! Now I work at a tier 1/2 exhaust manufacturer(yea, we can make a NICE exhaust for the 1125) and still, i get beat up for pennies... I would like to think that I am a fair guy..really, but for $1000 difference I drove 3+ hours...if it was 200? not a chance. They did not want to deal. I will not pay list price EVER on a major purchase. not gonna happen, I vote with my $, I am up front and clear. I don't waste people's time and "pretend" to be a buyer. Harley dealers are like stones, this is it, don't like ? go elsewhere. well I have news, the economy caught up with them. Even Ducati deals now...I bought my Boxster WAY lower than list. | ||
| Georgehitch17 |
This rebate reminds me of the the cash for clunkers program. Im in the car business and when C4C came out we were asking retail on vehicles. It doesn't seem necessary to discount a item that is 50% off especially a vehicle. 5,000 off this bike is a tremendous deal. I do understand that 8,000 off is even better and if i saw a 1125R in person for 3995 plus tax title etc. i would buy it in a heartbeat.But i would consider 7,000 a excellent deal. I purchased my 25R in june for 7995 plus tax title. I couldn't of been happier these machines are truely incredible. | ||
| Oddball |
I have been one holding off buying over the last couple years for a variety of reasons. The standard tactic, wave a low price(hook) then reel them back up with fees to the price they(dealer) like. That happens only if the usual hd way of msrp + fees doesn't get bites. Buyers had time and quantity (both of dealers and product) on their side. That is no longer the case. Quantity is dwindling with selections of any particular model/year thusly shrinking. The more particular you are the less choice you have. It's now or never boys(and girls) If you end up with a choice between one who offers low(below the rebate reduced level) to hook and reel you back up or one who offers a price without games or any of that crap you'll have to pick one. It may not be your dream price but the second guy in such a choice is much more trustworthy in my opinion. Ratbuell is that type of guy. (disclaimer: I do have deals with him currently so if you choose to discount my opinion so be it.) The one's to really watch in the coming days are any that end up with the final few. How they handle themselves in pricing should tell you a lot about whether or not you should deal with them in any form(sales,service,accessories) | ||
| Big_jeff |
Apparently Buell still has a number of these at the factory, 09's and 10's. They have to sell out of 09's first. Then they will allow dealers to get the remaining 10's. I am getting a new black '09 1125r ordered from Kutter Harley. Jim Palmer is a member here, not sure if they are a BWB sponsor or not. It should be here at the end of the month. $6499 OTD. $6999 for 10's when they allow him to order them. Even with shipping from WI to SC its still cheaper than the local Harley dealer by $1000. That's well below MSRP and the discount. -Jeff | ||
| A10tankkill |
People looking for deals and jumping on the deals out there weren't buying at the previous prices. Some were waiting until next year, but now could afford, or are willing to go in debt to get one before they are gone. I wouldn't get down too much on people looking for the best deal. Sure it sucks Buell is going away at least for now, but it is a function of the economy and Harley and their overactive loan arm than people getting a deal now. I worked at an airline for 15 years, and I'd be rich if I got a nickel for everyone who bitched up a storm because they have to pay more than $50 bucks to fly to California from Wisconsin, and they can't bring their entire house with them on every trip. Hope you guys bitching about the people looking for deals now aren't just casting stones, and you live the talk and are willing to pay fair value for everything. It sure isn't the case for airlines. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I got a good deal for my CR, then two months later the bottom fell out. I could have almost bought two bikes for what I paid for my CR. I'm not the least bit bitter about it because I think I got a fair deal, and I like my local dealer. I'm glad I got to help them with a purchase. | ||
| Ironjim |
Racine Harley sold 09 R's for $5995. No freight or set-up. I was just there to pay for mine. They had 26 of them just come in. All accounted for. I ordered mine from them 10/19. Jim | ||
| Gotlime |
daaayyuuuummm!! I paid $5500 OTD (3%salestax) for mine, but my dealer only had 1 in stock and it has a 10/09 inspection sticker on it. Meaning the inspection was done 10/08. I think they just wanted it gone!! | ||
| Zacks |
Got my R at Racine HD. As IronJim says $5995 freight and prep included, TTL extra. Pick it up on Wed this week. Talked to the sales guy there, he says that they have more on order and waiting to see if they can get them. Will know later this week. Currently, he says they do have a couple of CR's coming in with no names attached. They go for $500 more though at $6495. To get one is $500 down and contract is written 'subject to availability'. They can't get it for you, money back. I think they're using it as leverage with HD so they can show they have names on actual contracts in order to get the bikes. Just my 2 cents, YMMV. | ||
| Ironjim |
I tried to talk them into getting me on the fast track out of there today. Just wasn't happening. They have too many bikes to prep. I hope to get the call tomorrow. I'm gonna beat that bike like a red headed step child... Jim | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I finally figured out what Zach's 'YMMV' means ... I was suffering from natural blondness the past couple of days. Mike | ||
| Smoothrod |
Ive been looking at this post all day and every time I type something I have to erase it so that I don't come off like a jerk face.So here is my best shot at not being one. Why did I pay 5k dollars for my cr? Because thats what they were going for all across the Midwest and South and allot of places on the East coast. Why would I want to pay thousands of dollars more when they were being sold at a lower cost? In my opinion we "are" were we "are" because of a couple of things, first is the msrp pricing. I guarantee you there have been more 1125's sold in the last 3 weeks than have been sold in the last 3 years. If they were flying off the shelves like this all along we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Second is the •••••• ass Harley Davidson dealer network. Terrible attitudes, poor support etc etc etc, I'm sure we could all go on for hours. I have a Vrod and 2 Buells so please don't tell me about the excellent support and service. Are we supposed to give these dealers a brake? You cant be serious? | ||
| Vanslam |
I was looking at the same 1125R I purchased 2 months before Buell went under. I thought then that it was a nice price but the issues with the 2008 model did not make me buy it at the end. Now 2 months later and at a 5K price tag I figured it would be worth what ever service headaches (saved 4 grand). I bought this bike to ride it not to collect. Sure it may be worth something in 30 years but I am sure in will be out of my garage by then. Besides I have my 1948 Indian Chief which is my collector piece. So it is an amazing bike. I am glad I bought. And would buy another at full MSRP if there was a future. But if the price was not discounted I would not have experienced the bike and sorry to say life would have gone on. And instead of the Buelll I would have another Ducati in the garage. So Eric great bike and sorry to see you go. |
