| Author | Message | ||
     Dentguy |
All those who made noise in the past about the 1098R being "so expensive" at $40K please raise your hand. Welcome to the party. By the way, the Ducati is street legal, comes with traction control and has a 2 year warranty. (Message edited by dentguy on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
The "rule" thus far is the parts that affect emissions are the ones that need a race license. R | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
I hope they sell a street version or retrofit parts, so I can take the fairing, radiators, etc and put them on my 1125r | ||
| Froggy |
"The fairing is available: Buell part number M2000B.08AZ. In extremely high-quality pre-preg fiberglass, it costs $1499 for the kit" | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
Thanks Froggy, but I know about the race one... I would like (hope for) a street version. | ||
| Fast1075 |
The real limiting factor for RPM is piston speed. A race only motor can be turned much tighter than a street motor based solely on the fact that the motor will be serviced frequently and by following scheduled routine parts replacement based on life cycle. (Or you can just run it till it blows up and put in a new motor). | ||
| Mcgiver |
Dentguy, Yes Ducati has a street legal 1098r for $40,000. But the bike Pegram races is a 1098rF08. That is a Factory Worldsuperbike from the factory team in 2008, comes with no warranty,but it does come with a factory support team(but you cant buy it). Brian | ||
| Dentguy |
Dentguy, Yes Ducati has a street legal 1098r for $40,000. Yep, that's the one I was talking about. | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
Remember Buell hasn't announced 2010 models Maybe a street legal version to meet the homologation requirements | ||
| 01xjbuell |
we can only dream.... I would be tempted to hop in line | ||
| Bikejunky |
Found on Motorcycle.com Erik Buell is passionate about racing motorcycles, and now the company that bears his name is going Superbike racing. The new 1125RR is a race-only version of Buell’s 1125R streetbike, and we’ll get to see it in action at this weekend’s AMA Pro Superbike race in Ohio. “The 1125RR is designed to give privateer racers a turn-key machine to compete in the American Superbike class in AMA Pro Racing,” said Buell, the Chairman and Chief Technical Officer of Buell Motorcycle Company. “We want to build on our program that has proven so successful for privateers in the Daytona SportBike class.” The Buell 1125RR uses some race components already used on 1125R that has taken victories in the Daytona SportBike class, such as a billet axle-adjustment system for the aluminum swingarm that incorporates chain drive for simpler gearing changes. In the axle’s center position, the double-R has a 55.5-inch wheelbase, up nearly an inch from the streetbike’s 54.6 inches. The chassis itself is unchanged from the standard 1125R’s twin-beam aluminum frame that doubles as the bike’s fuel tank. The Buell 1125RR: Your turn-key Superbike racer has arrived. The Buell 1125RR: Your turn-key Superbike racer has arrived. Buell has made several modifications to the 1125cc Helicon engine, although it’s a bit surprising to see its displacement unchanged (the class allows twin-cylinder motors to be up to 1200cc). Engineers concentrated mostly on improved breathing for the 72-degree V-Twin, gaining a larger airbox and intake manifold and a titanium exhaust system. Inside you’ll find “revised” valves and camshafts, a higher compression ratio, and “other weight-reduced components.” Suspension is from Showa, like the 1125R streetbike, but the 1125RR gets Showa’s new Big Piston Fork with race-kit internals and an upgraded remote-reservoir race shock. Braking is via Buell’s ZTL2 (Zero Torsional Load) system that uses a single perimeter-mounted rotor (modified for race use) and the massive eight-piston front caliper. The use of lightweight magnesium wheels improves suspension performance and handling but adds a big chunk o’ change to the RR’s spendy $39,995 list price. Now, $40K may sound like a lot of money, but it’s a relative bargain in the world of Superbike racing. It will be interesting to see how Buell rider Taylor Knapp performs on it this weekend at the Mid-Ohio races and for the rest of the AMA Pro Superbike season. But perhaps the most significant aspect to the announcement of the 1125RR is what it may mean for Buell’s production streetbikes. If Erik Buell is involved in racing, he’s going to want to put the most competitive bike on the grid. In Superbike, this means having a full 1200cc of displacement. Thus, we speculate that we may see a Buell 1200R streetbike in 2011. | ||
| Slimdave |
Go for it Taylor Knapp! | ||
| R2s |
The Bore and stroke is stock. Superbike planet is a bunch of jap bike lovin, Buell hatin babies with no email contact listing. At least Buell offers this version for sale. Like fresno stated, you can't buy a Yosh tuned Suzuki Superbike. They sold Maladin's 08 bike earlier this yesr for huge money. It had a whole page worth of high dollar trick stuff on it. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
They sold Maladin's 08 bike earlier this yesr for huge money. Ah so true. I had forgotten about that. $59,000 was the price tag and apparently it was such a deal it didnt' take long to sell at all. | ||
| Kttemplar |
There was talk last year of developing the 180hp version of the 1125R engine last year. Maybe, this is the engine powering the 1125RR. | ||
| Jscott |
"Superbike planet is a bunch of jap bike lovin, Buell hatin babies with no email contact listing." hardscrabblemedia@earthlink.net | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
The real limiting factor for RPM is piston speed. Inside you’ll find “revised” valves and camshafts, a higher compression ratio, and “other weight-reduced components.” I'm no rocket scientist, but even with keeping the displacement at any given point, you can change just the cams and if there is sufficient airflow and intake/exhaust tuning to compliment the cams, you can get a HUGE change in engine character. Give up some on the bottom end, but get a big hit on top. May not be ideal for street riding, but if that motor was optimized for the 6000 to 10000 rpm range it could be a significant increase in peak power, and still be (very) useable in that environment. R | ||
| Palmer |
hey guys is there any streaming in the internet with those races? | ||
| Ccryder |
If you can increase how much the engine can suck in and increase how much it can blow out, it will produce more power. Like Rob said, that increased output may not be what you want for the street but, now we ain't talking about street riding anymore. Just take a look at what Buell did with the XB engine in the XBRR and pass those increases onto the Helicon engine. Now you are looking at 200+hp!!!! (Where's my drool rag when I need it???) Later | ||
| Pariah |
They'll need 200hp (at the crank) just to be competitive, so if they're in AMA Superbike, I don't doubt they have it. You can borrow my drool rag when I'm finished... MH | ||
| Clarkjw |
The Ducati WSBK 1198 makes 202hp at the crank with desmodromic valves and 73 more cc's. In race spec, peak power is made at 11,000 rpm. 200hp on the 1125cc Rotax mil is basically out of the question if the engine is expected to last a full race. Anyway, with 180hp and some weight savings, the new BPF fork, and some other tricks, Higbee may reach 6th. I think he's good enough to podium (3rd) on the 1198. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Anyway, with 180hp and some weight savings, the new BPF fork, and some other tricks, Higbee may reach 6th. I think he's good enough to podium (3rd) on the 1198. Higbee won't be on the 1125RR at mid-Ohio. Taylor Knapp will flying the Buell colors on the 1125RR. I can remember at Fontana when Danny and Barney came around for the first time in DSB practice. Talk about chills. It's gonna be the same for your guys when Taylor Knapp comes around. Lucky bastards. | ||
| Macchiato |
Sent them an email at hardscrabblemedia@earthlink.net In regards to the 1125RR for 2010. What is different about this bike and the other Super Bikes in reference to homologation? You can't buy a Yosh version of a GSX-R no matter how much money you have. Ask Michael Jordan. Not only that, we don't know what the 2010 line up from Buell is. Its obvious the 1125RR is based off the 1125R, where does this Buell negativity come from? The series was boring well before DMG, due to the talent pool and the lack of equal parts availability. Look at the series when Honda gave full factory support. Another example is Ben Spies there you had great talent and equal machinery, resulting in better racing. Why don't we address these issues? (Message edited by macchiato on July 16, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
My letter to SUper Squid Planet wasn't NEARLY as diplomatic. | ||
| Pariah |
The Ducati WSBK 1198 makes 202hp at the crank with desmodromic valves and 73 more cc's. In race spec, peak power is made at 11,000 rpm. The assumption in your argument is that desmodromic valves are superior to finger follower designs. This might be true, but it might be false as well. The finger followers counteract a lot of the deficiencies associated with springs, while also allowing greater reliability. So, as in a lot of complex engineering design issues, it's a matter of tradeoffs, and I don't think it's so conclusive. I guess we'll just have to see... MH (Message edited by pariah on July 16, 2009) | ||
| Clarkjw |
Pariah, every single bike in motogp uses either pneumatic or desmo valve actuation. Yes, it is better. See the 2007 season rossi vs stoner. (Message edited by clarkjw on July 16, 2009) | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
what day is this race at mid-ohio.... wes orlof is racing there this weekend and i wanna see both | ||
| Blake |
Clarkjw Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 09:07 pm: I believe that is highly inaccurate. Honda commenced using pneumatic valve return in their GP bike just last year. (Message edited by Blake on July 17, 2009) | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
how do the pneumatic valves work? THANX Jake | ||
| Pariah |
I think they use compressed air instead of springs to open and close the valves. Right now there's still a cam, but in the not-too-distant future we should see the disappearance of the cam, and you'll have an electronic cam instead (the way is paved with the pneumatic technology). |
