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Ruprecht
| | Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 08:22 am: | 
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I think perhaps you misinterpreted my comment...
I meant that as someone looking to buy a bike, regardless of this racing class, I'm not even considering the 600s.
The choice of a do-everything street bike (with an admittedly sporting performance bent) doesn't bear much relation to any racing formula. Artificial capacity restrictions, or weight limits, are meaningless.
Maybe if I was smaller, didn't like to ride for as long and liked peaky, topend power delivery, I'd be considering a 600. Insurance and registration does favour the smaller capacity (at least it does here).
I'd imagine most potential purchasers would be similar. Regardless of whether or not this racing formula is really fair or competitive, how many people would look to purchase an 1125R or CR as an alternative to a 600cc Supersport?
As such, the handling comparison thrills me, the engine comparison leaves me completely underwhelmed.
Even if the rules do even things out, I don't think success in this series would follow the "win on sunday, sell on monday" rule. The competition doesn't reflect the market reality.
This isn't a criticism of Buell or the 1125, merely the relevance of this comparison and racing series. |
Weatherman
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 04:23 pm: |
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My my how things have changed!!!!
Now caaying extra weight, if the Buell doesn't win the race, it is a failure and got spanked by bikes half it's displacement!!!!
A little while ago finishing in or near the top ten was vindication that you built a competitive machine- well when Buell isn't winning it is seeming to be right there.
I just like the way my CR feels on the street better than the 600's. Intuitive response is the correct term and what a motor!!! |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 04:37 pm: |
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The race weight of the Buells has not changed. Only the rules changed. They didn't "add" weight to the actual bikes, only the rulebook. In my mind, this means that the sanctioning body feels the bikes are very well matched, and the 15 lbs was added to the minimum weight so that the Buells coudn't get MORE competitive by losing weight.
Buell: 397 lbs before the rule change, 397 lbs after the rule change.
Danny didn't fare as well in that last race because he didn't get much practice time on the track. Didn't have anything to do with rule changes. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 06:08 pm: |
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Weatherman, there's lots of good information on the forum regarding Buell Racing. I suggest you read up. |
Scubarc51
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 11:20 pm: |
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wow what happend to this thread
any news on the wet weight of the CR? |
Georgehitch17
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:06 am: |
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i brought this article up at a kawasaki, honda, and suzuki dealer they took some offense to me saying a 1125r will out handle a zx6r. they were asking who did the right up and blah blah blah. Its funny how defensive they get. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:16 am: |
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Go read the thread at the AF1 Aprilia forum. Lots of haters!
Mostly it comes down to insulting Buell based on observations of the XB platform, and complaining about the looks of the bike. |
Brapbrapbrap
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 10:58 am: |
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Georgehitch17
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:06 am:
i brought this article up at a kawasaki, honda, and suzuki dealer they took some offense to me saying a 1125r will out handle a zx6r. they were asking who did the right up and blah blah blah. Its funny how defensive they get.
Some things are facts, some things are opinions. The Buells handling is a fact. IT THE BEST.
You have to blindfold people to put them on it as people pre-judge from looks. If it looks odd people don't think it can perform.
Its a human flaw to pre judge on looks.
Yes looks are subjective opinions and some owners love the look of the 1125r. But why not invest a bit of time and a few dollars in design for the 1125? Serious question. That does not mean a cookie cutter (term way over used). If you think that you are not looking at the sport bike crowd close enough. They all have their own brand identification.
Screw functionality that does not mean it can not look pleasing at the same time. Take the looks controversy off the table and people will take the bike more serious.
Buell does not get the serious respect it deserves with some people for this silly reason. I know the hardware is there. |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:25 am: |
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Some people are superficially obsessed with looks too!
I happen to like the way my 11 looks and love the way it performs and handles. I bought a Buell because function comes first over form. I could care less about the opinions of people that are obsessed with wanting it to look like a porn star. |
Scubarc51
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 01:08 pm: |
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i didnt buy my 1125cr for the looks, i bought it for the power and handling of the amaizing motor. Power first looks last |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:39 pm: |
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Hey, I'm a function over form guy, too, but I gotta say, given the above two pictures, I really don't care how well the dowdy one sings; I know what's going in my spank bank for later. |
Brapbrapbrap
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:44 pm: |
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ROFL |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:52 pm: |
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+1111111
ROFLMFAO |
Khill
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 08:18 pm: |
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Bottom line, for Steve Atlas to go quicker on the 1125R than the ZX6R, that is saying something, something huge. And, for Nick and I to ride these bikes at the STT days with stock tires and haul ass, is because they work so well.
Ken |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:09 pm: |
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Ken your opinion here is well respected for obvious reasons...
Just read the shootout of the Japanese IL4 1000cc bike in RRW (for those who haven't caught this article, Ken is one of the highly esteemed test riders--along with Steve Rapp, Chris Ulrich & Corey West.)
Just out of total curiosity, how do you feel the 1125r would stack up in this most stiff competition?
Be objective and straight up with us...I don't think anyone expects the 1125r to be as competitive on the racetrack, but exactly how far off is it?
With your background, ample experience on the 1125r & participation of the 1000cc shootout fresh on your mind, you seem MORE than qualified to make the comparison.
Thanks in advance. |
Khill
| | Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 12:43 am: |
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Stock for stock, as far as outright lap times go against the 1000's that were at that test, same as a 600 or 750, about 1.5 -2.0 seconds slower. (track dependent of course) With a inline 1000, there is just no getting around an extra 40-45 hp, you just can't make it up....Even with 2 riders running the same lap times, 1 on a inline 1000 and on the Buell, the nod would go to the 1000....
The point I feel that is overlooked is how much easier the bike is to ride than a 1000 or even a modern 600. At the RRW test, it takes some pretty capable riders to ride the bikes to the level that is required to get the results and feedback they want. The Buell is far much easier to ride at a quick pace with less effort. So, for mere mortals, I feel the 1125R can let the person actually ride the bike to his/her limits, comfortably.
Ken |
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