| Author | Message | ||
     Sportshaft |
part of the design was done in India on the think3 cad, Yes thats right INDIA!! | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
Follow the money? Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay: Japan 11:1 Germany 12:1 France 15:1 Italy 20:1 Canada 20:1 South Africa 21:1 Britain 22:1 Hong Kong 41:1 Mexico 47:1 Venezuela 50:1 United States 475:1 | ||
| Slaughter |
If it's important to your friend - bad on him. If it's important to you - bad on you. The bike is what it is regardless of definition. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Follow the money? Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay: Japan 11:1 Germany 12:1 France 15:1 Italy 20:1 Canada 20:1 South Africa 21:1 Britain 22:1 Hong Kong 41:1 Mexico 47:1 Venezuela 50:1 United States 475:1 What the hell does this matter? | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Looks like by focusing on American shortfalls we can justify why an American called and ordered engines from another country that we can celebrate as an American triumph? I'm confused. Cant fix the problem, ignore or relabel it. | ||
| Stevasaurus |
When I bought that truck, how many American families did I put food on the table, clothes on their back, and magic in their 8 balls? Better than buying a GM or Chrysler: The profit may go to the Empire, but the GM profit goes to a bunch of douchebags that can't run a company and then steal our tax money to bail their worthless butts out.....I'll take the Empire over those ass-hats any day of the week. Plus, buying anything made by UAW workers is like paying a 9 year old Nigerian girl to perform brain surgery on yourself....a waste of money. A KY worker bee assembling Toyota trucks and a KY worker bee assembling Chevrolet Corvettes are the same thing: KY worker bees. It is way too easy to paint in polarizing strokes between suffering American assembly workers and evil, inept American management. What gets lost is the technical staff behind the creation. I would rather buy a Chrysler made in Ontario or a GM made in Mexico instead of a foreign brand built in the U. S. A. because I know my money will go to support newer, better designs by smart Americans, and give their companies a chance to grow and improve. Fortunately, every domestic cage I have bought has been assembled here as well (and I DO check the window sticker). The dumbing down of this country continues at an alarming pace. The herd of 'murican worker bees will be continue to be culled by the juggernaut of cheap labor on the other side of the world. Our nation's only chance (for white collars and blue collars both) is to continue to be an innovator. That doesn't happen when I buy a Toyota or a Nissan no matter where it is made. Yes, 1125's are American bikes. (Message edited by stevasaurus on May 03, 2009) | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
The dumbing down of america does continue. Lets use a visual Think of people as Apples. The Factory worker is an apple, thats one apple. Bolting to gather the last two bolts of in this case a crate engine. Behind that crate engine is 5 apples that built it. Five apples is more than one apple. Six apples can spend more seeds in your country than one apple. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I need better meds. Must be time for some Bourbon in my coffee. | ||
| Ds_tiger |
mmmm, apples....  | ||
| Bott |
according to the V.I.N. on my particular 1125R , it was made in America...works for me  | ||
| Slaughter |
So if your mommy and daddy did the BIG NASTY while on vacation in the Bahamas... and 9 months later, you are born in the USA... what does that make you? I'm just askin. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
An apple? | ||
| Junkyrddog780 |
To heck with apples, I want hard apple cider. | ||
| Bigschwerm |
To heck with apples, I want hard apple cider. Cheers to that!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
12% Woodpecker on draught. Mmmmmmmmmm. | ||
| Boltrider |
Brap, I made this just for you, right here in the good old USA. But be warned - I used some foreign ingredients. Enjoy!  (Message edited by boltrider on May 03, 2009) | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
LOL no problem using imported Parts ok with me just call it what it is like you did. You can never go wrong with honesty . | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If that's the case then NOTHING is really "American made". Haven't been for decades. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
I think most would agree if said item had 99% American content it could be considered American made. Once you agree to that then the discussion is at what percent is it no longer American made. 80%? 60%? of the dollars used to create said object. I think that fed guideline used 65% (not sure), to me it needs to be 85% to use the flag on it. Im not saying one is better than the other I'm saying be honest. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
to me it needs to be 85% to use the flag on it. Would be YOUR opinion. So if a company COULDN'T exist as an "American" company using less than 85% American content, you'd rather the company not exist? Without the parts content sourced from all over the world, the 200 people who comprise Buell corporate an at least one employee at every single Buell dealer would be unemployed. Without the parts content sourced from all over the world, the thousands of people employed by Ford, Chrysler, and GM as well as those employed by Honda, Toyota, and Nissan would be unemployed. Conversely, the employees of the OTHER suppliers who provide the American components would ALSO be unemployed because there would be no product to produce. Having 100% American content means that there is less domestic employment not more. Additionally, it means that the price of goods rises sharply in relation to wages. Unemployment rises, wages fall. Beware the utopia you covet. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Ft_bstrd Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 05:33 pm: to me it needs to be 85% to use the flag on it. ...... So if a company COULDN'T exist as an "American" company using less than 85% American content, you'd rather the company not exist? ..........I did not say that, and thats a stupid statement. I just said call it what it is. An item assembled in america with a large percentage of imported content. It must bother some of you worse than me that the engine is not manufactured here. I'm not saying close the factory, lol. Just be honest what it is. No one makes and engine better than Rotax. Enjoy it! | ||
| Madav8tr |
"It must bother some of you worse than me that the engine is not manufactured here." You're the one that keeps bringing that up. In fact your 1st post in this thread contained "No longer is Buell an American made bike, Rotax makes incredible engines but it's not employing American workers." (Message edited by madav8tr on May 03, 2009) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I just said call it what it is. An item assembled in america with a large percentage of imported content. That's the rub. YOU make the distinction. The problem is that if 100% of the population did what you and others suggest, buy ONLY products that contained 85% or more "American" content, MOST companies in the US wouldn't and couldn't exist. What is funny is that most "American" marques get a pass. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been sourcing engines from Brazil, Germany, France, England, Japan, Korea, and China for decades. I don't see any of the "Buy America First" crowd running ANY of these vehicles through the fine toothed comb process. I live in TN. We have Nissans built buy Americans with engines sourced here and built by Americans. This is not enough for the BAF crowd. The cry is then "follow the money", "the profits leave". Blah, blah, blah. Tell that to the thousands of employees in the plants or the thousands of employees in the newly built headquarters 6 miles from my house. It's just an argument that fails to hold water. | ||
| Stevasaurus |
You conveniently forget the domestic engines that Chrysler has supplied to Mitsubishi and Ford engines in Mazdas. And when times get tougher, you really think that Nissan will lay off Japanese workers before American ones? Don't bet on it. Let the American companies go bankrupt so the only game in town is to work for the foreign transplants. Our new masters will treat us so well. Have fun with your Nissan. I'll stick with my Ford. Dearborn gets the profits. Flat Rock builds my car. My money stays here. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Maybe not in a Tennessee public school. I'll drop it there is no using facts in the 1125 forum just emotion. Rotax is much of an American Company as Toyota in Tennessee is, in that we agree.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My money stays here. And goes in a hole. What about MY loss? How much of YOUR retirement money went out the window when the stock price dropped from $28/sh to $1.63/sh? At 7.92M shares outstanding, that's about $209,000,000. Evaporated. I will not reward that kind of incompetence. Feel free. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You conveniently forget the domestic engines that Chrysler has supplied to Mitsubishi and Ford engines in Mazdas. Wasn't really the point, but since you brought it up would having a US sourced engine make Mazda and Mitsubishi "American"? Rotax is much of an American Company as Toyota in Tennessee is Never said it was. Just pointing out the inequity in the position you are taking. | ||
| Dbird29 |
I am a citizen of the Buell Nation.  | ||
| Court |
I'm an unusual guy. I just want the best and funnest Buell I can get . . . . I've had 12 and each one just gets better. I'll likely stay. | ||
| Xl1200r |
And goes in a hole. What about MY loss? How much of YOUR retirement money went out the window when the stock price dropped from $28/sh to $1.63/sh? At 7.92M shares outstanding, that's about $209,000,000. Evaporated. I will not reward that kind of incompetence. Feel free. If you want to invest in Toyota because they are a better performing company right now financially, have at it. That doesn't mean GM builds a vehicle as poorly as they run their financials. That's not rewarding incompetence - that's supporting American jobs (manufacturing all the way to Executives) while also watching out for yourself (investing in foreign marques). I bought a car built in Ohio by a Corporation based in Detroit. The econmic downfall of said company has had no effect on me, and I've had 60kmi trouble free miles in three years so far. |
