| Author | Message | ||
     Carbonbigfoot |
Somebody at Rotax or Buell must have an idea of what this engine can do, maxed out, with no concerns for the EPA, noise, race sanctioning, economy, or any other concerns. Anybody? R | ||
| Davegess |
I think it will easily match a 1098R Ducati. What's the best number we hear for them? That is not as much as th etop 1000cc 4's are getting I'd say but pretty close. | ||
| Clarkjw |
(Message edited by clarkjw on March 27, 2009) | ||
| Clarkjw |
Among other things, this question is dependent on: fuel injection desired power curve desired engine life high end component expenditure Also, 1098R ducati is 1198cc. | ||
| Court |
>>>Somebody at Rotax or Buell must have an idea of what this engine can do, maxed out, with no concerns for the EPA, noise, race sanctioning, economy, or any other concerns. That is an accurate statement. They knew before the first engine was built. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Soooooo.....? R | ||
| Hogs |
Top Secret Shit...! To be released on Future models   | ||
| 01xjbuell |
Maybe we will find out in a few years if Buell brings out a 1225R like Ducati did w/ the 1098/1198 haha  and yes that is drippppping with sarcasm | ||
| Dentguy |
I think it will easily match a 1098R Ducati. What's the best number we hear for them? Plenty of Buell fans THINK that. We'll see. It puts out 180HP stock. | ||
| Madav8tr |
180hp stock is a crank measurement and is a lot of power for a twin but not so much that Buell couldn't match it. I own a Duc racebike and browse a couple different Duc forums and "typical" rear wheel measurements puts most 1098R's in the 150 range. Some a little more some less. I think that a similarly displaced Buell (1200cc) could get close with a little work. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Yeah, and we don't have a chain. Anony, what type of fuel injectors are Higbee/Eslick using? | ||
| Madav8tr |
"Yeah, and we don't have a chain." With 1098 power we would  | ||
| Dentguy |
180hp stock is a crank measurement and is a lot of power for a twin but not so much that Buell couldn't match it. I was referring to crank HP. As for the Buell matching that, as I said, we'll see. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
With 1098 power we would Further question: How much can the belt take? R | ||
| Court |
>>>Anony, what type of fuel injectors are Higbee/Eslick using? The motor is a 2009 Helicon that has not been opened. | ||
| Doerman |
Higbee's Helicons are a 2008 on the Superbike and a 2009 on the Daytona Sportbike. Both stock except ECM, exhaustheaders and can. | ||
| Court |
I stand corrected. You were there and would know. | ||
| Doerman |
Corrected? Naah... Just pointing out that the 2008 is the fast bike!  I was there and hope to be again. I was talking to my father in law about the Daytona and Fontana weekends. His short and succinct comeback was: "You're hooked, aren't you" The man knows me well. I'll try to do as many of the AMA races as I can this year. Traveling to the races - Mastercard. Economy be damned Being at the hotpit during the race and crossing your fingers that something you did one the bike stays together- adrenaline. Seeing the Buell take the checkered.. priceless.  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I own a Duc racebike and browse a couple different Duc forums and "typical" rear wheel measurements puts most 1098R's in the 150 range. Some a little more some less. I believe the built Helicon that Crevier ran in the last few Canadian Superbike races put out about 150 RWHP. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Higbee's Helicons are a 2008 on the Superbike and a 2009 on the Daytona Sportbike. Both stock except ECM, exhaustheaders and can. Wonder if Danny's and Barney's motors were opened or stock. I bet stock. We can bet that the 600cc factory competition motors are built with the perfect parts taken off the assembly line. HP difference between the Buell and factory 600s is not large. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ozzie, not sure if this has been covered or if you are at liberty to answer, but what happened to Shawn in Sunday's DSB race. Isn't that the race where he had to pit once or twice? | ||
| Doerman |
He came in after the second lap because the bike was smoking. There was a lose banjo connection on a return oil line causing a slight leak. It would take too long in the hotpit to fix so that's all she wrote in that race. The Saturday DSB race was not optimal either. Too much hop on the rear shock so it was hard to hook up on corner exits. We got that figured out for the Sunday race though. Switched the Penske for the Showa. Funny thing about different tracks. The Penske worked marvelously at Daytona, but was hard to tune right for Fontana. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So is that the stock Showa shock or an upgraded version? PS--Good on ya for following the team on the circuit. It was magic as a fan and I can't imagine how much fun it would be in the mix. | ||
| Dentguy |
Higbee's Helicons are a 2008 on the Superbike and a 2009 on the Daytona Sportbike. Both stock except ECM, exhaustheaders and can. Could it be that touches on exactly why some people are irritated about the 1125 in the sportbike class? Stock engine is strong enough for superbike, yet not too strong for sportbike class? (Message edited by dentguy on March 28, 2009) | ||
| Madav8tr |
140hp won't equal the lowliest of AMA Superbike qualifying machines so I don't see how anyone could say that it is strong enough. I think the thing irritates most people is the fact that the bike is a Buell. Buells are supposed to fail and fail miserably and when they don't, the world isn't setting right on it's axis it seems. (Message edited by madav8tr on March 28, 2009) | ||
| Dentguy |
140hp won't equal the lowliest of AMA Superbike qualifying machines so I don't see how anyone could say that it is strong enough. Is it a fact that it puts out 140HP or less than everyone else as you say? If it qualifies and runs in the class it must be strong enough. It's not all about HP. I think the thing irritates most people is the fact that the bike is a Buell. Buells are supposed to fail and fail miserably and when they don't, the world isn't setting right on it's axis it seems. I don't think that is true at all. Many want to see an American bike rock. (Message edited by dentguy on March 28, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Stock engine is strong enough for superbike I think that is debatable. Higbee's "superbike" is probably down 50 HP to the factory IL4s. It's pretty amazing he is doing as well as he is in Superbike. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It's not all about HP. So you are saying that the Buell is overpowering in the Sportbike class, but HP isn't as important in Superbike? Can't have it both ways. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"I don't think that is true at all. Many want to see an American bike rock." Many people that love Buells do but the rest of the racing community think that Buells don't deserve to be racing. That is a fact. I have been around the racing community for a very long time. I can tell you that from both a spectator perspective and that of a racers, the majority of people in the paddock don't like Buell. Hell, I am not even sure the majority of people on this forum like Buell  | ||
| Court |
>>>Buells are supposed to fail and fail miserably Yeah . . . . I've been waiting for that to happen for better than 22 years and all I get is wins, innovation, design awards, record sales and one of the fastest growing vehicle companies in history. Woe is me. I've made it a practice to avoid negative folks. They tend, themselves, to be failures and they are like velcro . . . ya get near one you get sucked into the negative vortex. |
