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Hellgate
Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I read a few older threads and from what I gather my tire pressure needs to be about 30/30. I've also set my suspension at 35mm of sag to begin with. The track day will be as Harris Hill Road in San Marcos, TX with Elite Track Days. The course is about 14 months old and smooth as a baby's bottom with excellent traction. Anything I need to consider bike wise for the 11?
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure you have enough gas in the tank & don't forget to fill up between sessions.

Other than that, take a notebook, record all your settings (suspension, cold & hot tire psi, etc., etc.) and keep track of any changes you make between sessions so you can accurately evaluate the differences.

Oh yeah, and don't forget to have FUN.
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Wfo_rey
Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hellgate It's a fun track me an wife ride 1125Rs and did track day back in 11/27/08. The instructors or great just take your time tire pressure on or bikes was around 30/32 r/f but it had rained that morning, but by noon time it had dry and then it was perfect so have fun.
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Hellgate
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Wfo rey. I spoke with you that day, I was ridding the blue FZ6 in Group 1. That was a fun day. A bit too cool however to get good hook up. I was cleaning my FZ for months after that one. I had that fine grit everywhere.

Are you and your wife going to do more track days this year?

It would need nice to have a good showing of 11s to counter the Ducs.
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

35mm is good for the front but the rear ought to start out more like 25-30mm.
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Hellgate
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slaughter - Thanks! BTW

How is the 11 at exit? Does it want to stand up under acceleration, or does it hold a line well?

Any brake fade?

I plan to use Monday as more of a get used to the bike as speed session, and dial in session, than really push things.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll add that you don't want to "fill up" between sessions. You want to have enough gas to complete the session, but no reason to carry a bunch of fuel around.

I typically top my tank up before I get to the track since the first session or two I'm "getting in the groove" and not pushing very hard. By that time, I've burned enough fuel that I can just do a little splash and go between sessions.
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Patrickmitchell
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do everyone else a favor and safety wire your oil filter and drain plug. I've been the victim of someone who oiled 3/4s of the track... You don't want to be the guy who sends half of your group into a ditch. It only takes a few minutes and is kind of fun to do.

Track days are the most fun thing you can do with your pants on... Enjoy!
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Hellgate
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrick - Tracking on the SW, already done. I've been riding the track since the mid 80's and do all of the safety stuff. Thanks for the reminder.

Pete
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White79bu
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After a few track days I noticed the front brakes having alot of fade. So I bought a more aggresive brake pad which seemed to help.
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Wfo_rey
Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Pete, glad to hear you got an 1125r. The bike is great, the more you ride it the better it get's! And yes, we plan to do track day soon but, I have an event coming up March 27th-29th. Need to get the bike ready for "The Texas Mile". I did it last year in 08, I went 152.986. This year, I'm getting some help from a few good people with tuning ecm and hopefully an exhaust. If your free that weekend, come join us. If you like speed, the best will be there. Look-up "texasmile.com" it's the best $10.00 you'll ever spend.
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Hellgate
Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey that's great. I remember you mentioned the TM when I met you. I think I have my National Guard drill that weekend but if I don't it would be fun to come out and watch.

On a side note I met a woman at a party this winter, and for the life of me I can't remember her name, who rides speed events. Blond, very tall, like 6'2", 35/40ish and rides a blown 'Busa. I think she'd been in the 195 range. Her boy friend rides in speed events too.
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Supertt_fl
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

how do you safety wire the filter and drain plug??
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Hellgate
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike is in the shop getting the clutch fixed, otherwise I'd post a photo. For the filter cover go from cover bolt to bolt, using the pattern for a front brake caliper. For the drain plug drill the bolt and then drill a the head of the next nearest bolt. For the throttle side drain bolt I simply double check the tightness. I'll need to change that bolt out for one that can be drilled.

BTW...I wasn't able to ride, my son had a trip to the ER the night before and we didn't get home until 3:30 am. I'm going to try for the 21st of the month. Just as well, I'd rather have the clutch 100%.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What kinda tires u running? Pirelli recommends 32f/32r as a starting point for Corsa IIIs.
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Hellgate
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The stockers for now, they only have 500 miles on them. Eventually I'd like to get a second set of wheels with dedicated track tires on them.

I was going to begin at 30/30 and see what they do. I've usually used the +4 psi rule of thumb for figuring out TP for a given day. It is usually a good place to begin.

I've got the tire and wheel warranty with my extended warranty so I'm good to go with Corsa IIIs for the next five years, $1200 well spent.
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Josh_
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>For the throttle side drain bolt I simply double check the tightness. I'll need to change that bolt out for one that can be drilled.


Nope, the stock one drills out just fine.
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Duggram
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you do have a spare set of wheels get some race tires. You would be surprised at the difference. I'm using BS BT003 DOT's now and will be switching to slicks ASAP. Slicks last longer and have different construction from the DOT's.
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Rfischer
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"....slicks last longer..."

Not necessarily; they have a limited number of heat cycles, depending on the compound you are using.

Also, a 'heads up': slicks have a very narrow range of operating temperatures at which they generate max grip. The use of tire warmers is mandatory to get initial heat into them. Moreover, unless you are a fast rider, you won't be able to keep heat in them and the grip will go away. Most novice and a lot of amateur class racers will actually go faster on DOT race tires than on full slicks for that reason.

Before putting out $$ for slicks get an evaluation of your riding skills from a track-day or race school instructor. At the very least, talk to a tire guy at the track. Most events will have one or two tire vendors in attendance.
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Duggram
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DOT's have the same heat cycle characteristic. Tire warmers are the solution. I use Woodcraft, inexpensive and they work.

I think the real question is how confident do you want to feel on the track? It didn't take me long to figure out that I didn't like the feeling of skating around on the street tires. The first time I used good track tires was a real surprise.
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Hellgate
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Traditionally on a new bike I prefer a street/sport tire so I can predictably slide the bike around and understand how it likes to behave before I put some sticky tires on.

Slicks are very nice, I used to run them on my RD/RZ/TZs many years ago. Once they are in their given heat range you feel like Superman with them, velcro!

I've never had a liter bike on the track before and I'd like to hear what folks think of the various tires. I've always liked my Michelins.
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 1125 will be more than adequate as is.
Just follow the rules of the track day organizer and you will be fine.

Here is a basic checklist of bike prep requirements:

New or near new tires are a must! If in doubt, buy a new set. Tires are usually available for purchase from a vendor at the track.

Wheel weights MUST be taped down.

Mirrors must be removed (Or taped).

Make sure all breakable lights, blinkers, tail, reflectors are taped completely.

Tape over the speedometer or disconnect it.

Brake light and headlight must be disabled (remove fuse or bulbs).

Make sure your exhaust mounting and bodywork is secure.

Safety wiring recommended, but not required.

Suggestion: Coolant should be drained and replaced with Water/waterwetter mix (this actually makes your bike run cooler).

All fluids at proper levels

Also make sure of no leaking fluids.

Make sure the brakes are in good working order and the pads are not close to being worn out.

Make sure you have the proper gear as well.

Most important is to have fun, relax and ride your own pace.
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