| Author | Message | ||
     Bearly |
I'm for that Cutty72. I ordered my micron system before I realized that it wasn't made in the USA. I had to wait quite a bit to get a part sent across the ocean. Shoot if they can sell that for 1200 quid (or what ever) you could make it for 700 over here! | ||
| Trojan |
Nice Xb9... now can we get that a little closer to home, with a little better looks, and for about $800? or is that just being greedy. What you are likely to get for $800 (UK£400) is not likely to be very much I'm afraid, even taking into account the weak US Dollar and very strong Euro at the moment. Even a half decent XB muffler in stainless steel is more than that, and there has been far more work involved in getting the 1125R exhaust to work as well as this one does than was ever involved in making the XB muffler better than stock. You also get the same quality as Akrapovic with this pipe, and those that have Jap/Ducati's will vouch for just how good that is. Compare the price of this exhaust to the price of an equivalent Akrapovic for a KTM or Ducati and you'll see that this is actually a good price. You get what you pay for I'm afraid, and if you pay cheap then you tend to get a cheaply made product. | ||
| Slaughter |
For reference: I paid almost exactly $1200 for the Beson race exhaust 4 years ago. I have to agree with Matt's comments about cost/quality. Keep in mind, we aren't talking GSXR-like quantities here in Buell production volume - and Matt is talking a FULL exhaust system, NOT a slip-on exhaust can. Just to educate yourself, stop into a speed shop that builds exhausts and ask them what they'd charge for a simple, HD-like exhaust. You MIGHT get one for less than $2000. (been there, done that) | ||
| Buellgator |
Well to be honest this is the first pipe I really like the looks of. I could jet-hot that thing black and roll  ! | ||
| Blake |
Definitely could benefit from some strategically configured painting, maybe something akin to how modern warships are painted to break up their form. Just a flat black would do a lot to help the appearance. The dyno results with SAE units superimposed...   | ||
| Helicon |
Are there any sound clips? | ||
| Nickcaro |
ok, I'm in. Placed the order today.  When it arrives I will do my best to capture some good clean sound cuts. | ||
| Helicon |
Thanks Nickcaro ... keep us updated!!! | ||
| Bueller_bjorn |
come on we need a nice sound clip if it sounds good i may need to purchase this | ||
| Nickcaro |
it's only been one week since I placed the order... was told they needed 2 weeks just to make one and then 1 week for it arrive...  I feel like I'm in prison drawing a big X on each calendar day when I go to bed. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Nick - whatcha gonna do with the stocker? I need a baby pig to tattoo on... PM me if you want to get rid of it. Zack | ||
| Nickcaro |
pm sent | ||
| Nickcaro |
ooops (image removed) (Message edited by nickcaro on May 01, 2008) | ||
| No_rice |
did you already get it? i am assuming from the break down pic you posted. when is it going to be on?! | ||
| Nickcaro |
It has not shipped yet.... I just received a PDF with some info and installation instructions. The images are much better than any I have seen, so I just had to put them up. (Message edited by nickcaro on April 30, 2008) | ||
| Nickcaro |
ooops (image removed) (Message edited by nickcaro on May 01, 2008) | ||
| Nickcaro |
Well, if anyone is tracking this; the first batch is complete and en route to Trojan Horse. A few days from now after they arrive, they'll start shipping and if all goes well I'll be massaging one in about 2 weeks.    | ||
| Brad1445 |
That Saron can is a good looker! | ||
| Dano_12s |
Looks like another reason to raid the cookie jar...this never ends!Nice slip-on. | ||
| Rfischer |
Hmmmn....nice right-angle turn to the outlet pipe. Smokey Yunick, who probably forgot more about making power from an internal combustion motor than most engineers will ever know, once opined, 'no bends in excess of 6 degrees, in or out.' Clearly the folks at Saron didn't read Smokey's book[s]......I'm pretty sure Erik has tho'. | ||
| Jedipunk |
I like it but, I'm hesitant to buy a pipe for $1200 that I have to repack. Anybody know the the repack intervals? | ||
| Trojan |
Hmmmn....nice right-angle turn to the outlet pipe. It may be a right-angle, but at 8bhp up on the stock pipe and with corresponding torque increases it ain't doin' too bad with it  Space is a huge problem on the 1125R and in order to get the power right the can had to be big, which leaves little room for the exit pipe to be anything other than at a sharp angle. Repacking will probably be around the 5-7000 mile mark depending upon useage etc. Although I have know some re-packable cans last a lot longer and some a lot less before needing a repack. | ||
| Rfischer |
The aftermarket loves to bandy dyno numbers around. However, they are virtually meaningless for a hundred different reasons. Wanna make your point? Run the bike at a drag strip in each configuration, same day, same conditions, pro-rider, back to back. The clock won't lie. Everything else is. | ||
| Nickcaro |
personally, I don't race. I'm looking to do a few track days this summer strictly for fun. Go ahead and flame me or call me crazy, cause I'm the type of person that would gladly give up 7 - 10 horse in return for a good sounding pipe. If this is going to have good sound and give a few... sh*t, its a win win for me. Good sound was what brought me to Buell in the first place. I don't care about having the fastest bike, I want the coolest bike.  | ||
| Brad1445 |
Well that exhaust will definitely help the cool meter go up. It looks great. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I'd never give up power, but I'd take the same power if it weighed less. | ||
| Trojan |
Wanna make your point? Run the bike at a drag strip in each configuration, same day, same conditions, pro-rider, back to back. The clock won't lie. Everything else is. Actually that is not true. A drag strip won't give any real indication of top speed because it is too short, so you are effectively only measuring acceleration. Also it won't take into account mid range, part throttle power delivery or accurately reflect torque (you don't know if the rider launched the bike with max revs or using best torque delivery?), which is probably more important in real world terms than flat out acceleration. Also, a drag strip only meaures time, which is a meaningless figure if you are interested in engine performance differences. Dyno graphs are the only way that anyone can quickly see the performance of a bike throughout the rev range in comparitive terms I agree that dyno figures, like poll results, can be used to highlight anything you want to really, but when shown back to back with the stock pipe measured on the same dyno they at least give a good indication of exhaust potential. An 8bhp increase isn't a meagre figue that could be put down to dyno operator error or changing atmospheric conditions either. This exhaust has been developed in by industry leaders who normally stay in the background but develop parts for motorcycle manufacturers such as KTM, and in conjunction with an 1125R road race team, so if it didn't work it wouldn't be here at all. Lastly, a lighter exhaust will aid cornering as well as all round performance, something drag strips (and dyno charts) conspicuously lack. | ||
| Pariah |
I don't see how someone can really argue with dyno results... how can you be more objective in assessing performance? It's true that a human rider may not be able to exploit power gains (say if the power delivery is abrupt), which would show up at the "drag strip", but look at the dyno chart for this exhaust... the torque gain (around 6 ft-lb!) is almost *constant* from 4k onwards... there's no doubt that this system is awesome (at least compared to what I've seen in the exhaust aftermarket). My (minor) concerns are how the new re-flash might affect things and what the expected hit on fuel efficiency is... | ||
| Vagelis46 |
This exhaust definately needs a belly pan, for aerodynamics stability at high speeds and also for the looks of the bike. The bike looks "empty" now. I guess that the stock exhaust was part of the aerodynamic design. | ||
| Nickcaro |
just want to share a response that I sent to a PM I received regarding the price. --------------------- ---------------------- I can't live comfortably with a stock pipe. Lets not forget that D&D was the first to have a pipe out to market and I think it was available as early as January of 08' Unfortunately, D&D stuff has a history of just being way too loud for me. In a moment of desperation I called them directly, figuring that if they had one in stock ready to ship I was just going to buy it and deal with it until something else came around. The woman on the phone with a hot southern accent, took the time to make sure that I understood how loud it was going to be and eventually I backed off. Meanwhile no one else was stepping up with an offering. Briefly someone surfaced in California that hacked a stock pipe, you may have seen the thread before it got pulled. We spoke on the phone, I was ready to pay in full before one was even made, then we lost touch... I'm unable to comment on the 1125 Drummer. We had some dealership in the Mid-Atlantic put up photos of a pipe they were going to produce. I think they called it the Hornet. Looked cool and again I was ready to drop the cash. Sent out a couple of emails... and nothing. We had someone put up photos of an exhaust that looked like something off a hot rod. Looked awesome, but none were available for sell. As far as I know, it could have just been made for show. Then came this post on the Saron. We got pictures, we got dyno charts and a promise that they were about to go in to production and be available to ship. Although there are no sound clips, I have faith that it will sound way better than stock. The ability to have a "DB Killer" sounded kinda sweet as well. Only problem is that the price scared the crap out of me and I held off for five days before finally dropping the hammer. At this point I have no regrets, but I still don't have the pipe. Matt over at Trojan has been in constant contact with me via email and not once have I felt like they were being shady. I can't righteously recommend it to anyone, but I can do my best to document my experience. When it does arrive I will make every effort to get some sound clips and tons of photos. Until then all I can do is retreat in to my meditation cave and await the arrival. - - - - - - - ☆ nick caro ☆ www.nick-caro.com - - - - - - - |
