| Author | Message | ||
     Brad1445 |
Court Look at it this way . . .. if you don't get it for 2 weeks it'll still be 18 months faster than most motorcycle companies could have responded. ____________________________________ I wonder why other manufactures can't get it together like Buell. These are incredible times, magical things seem to be occurring. Owners, dealers and manufacture all singing along. Well, the complete and up to date dealer manuals must be coming soon too?  | ||
| Odinbueller |
Hey HDWrench! Sometimes the guys on this board are suspicious of posts like your first one up there. Give it some time and they’ll get to know ya Is this a lag where there is no power delivery at all, or is it a surge after throttle, or just instant power after a delay. Where in the engine speed is it happening? I know at class they went over the importance of component placement after removing the lower air box, as real estate on this machine is limited and component placement is critical. I would also be interested in the live data that you captured. PM me and maybe we can put our heads together to see what's going on. I'm home alone with the kids today so ChellM can get some work done uninterrupted, but I'll be checking mail & posts as the day goes on. Chris | ||
| Court |
These are indeed magical times. Buell is in largely uncharted waters, eager to nourish a growing alliance with customers but constrained by the reality of commerce. Buell was the FIRST (by a fairly good time frame) manufacturer of wheeled vehicles to experiment with a www site. When Buell took the leap many folks dismissed it as a "fad" . . . 'who's going to "read" a computer screen to get information?". Buell also swims upstream against strong current flowing from the Harley-Davidson (circle the wagons, we're making record profits. . DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL mentality) culture. Buell came within a whisker of shaking up moto-commerce in 1997 when I got sent to the campus of M.I.T. to spend 8 days a program. The deal was shit canned on the logic "over my dead body will Buell has something we don't and make us look out of date". Although I got to share a stage at the Cow Palace with Bill Gates to introduce what Buell had done . . . the program was trashed. Fortunately I saved the video tapes and all the documentation including my daily reports to Erik and his responses. He could see the future but the sky was obscured by the rain clouds of reality. Besides. . . who would ever want to have direct access for questions to factory engineers, ,pdf updates of revisions to manuals, the ability to schedule service for your Buell online and they laughed at the "Build your Buell" module . . how foolish to think customers could tell the factory months in advance what interested them and allow the forecasters to plan. Buell is an amazing company. Erik is the tip of an iceberg. It's much less vision than pure dogged determination of doing things and treating people the way you'd want to be treated. If you are at Homecoming I can show you some things . . (ask me about 7m9s) . . that Buell is doing that never make the public eye and are off the charts amazing. Jon Flickinger, as many of you know, is one of Buell's greatest assets. It is an amazing company and an amazing time. Court | ||
| Crowley |
Court, I think you need to take a little of your own medicine and read my post carefully. You imply I called someone a 'liar'. I did not. I simply asked a question about the honesty of what I was told. Patronising is as unpleasant as accusing. Anyway, back to people who offer useful info. Huge thanks to those who told me about the Air intake solenoid problem. I disconnected the cable on mine and the bike runs better than it ever has done - what a machine! Thanks fellas  | ||
| Court |
>>>Can I assume this official source is lying to me? Accusing someone of lying is bad. Making an assumption is worse. Your information is unsound, inaccurate and misleading. Dealers in the UK have a wealth of resources at their disposal. Court | ||
| Bigeasy |
it rubs the lotion on its skin it does this when its told or it gets............ | ||
| Crowley |
Ha, as I thought, you don't like a taste of your own medicine. So why do Buell say differently to your assumption? Again, your statement is misleading, I was not talking about dealers, I was talking about what I was officially told by Buell UK. Perhaps you know someone who works there as well, in which case you'd be privy to the FACTS. It's hardly as though there's going to be a rush on the dealers with only a handful being sold. | ||
| Odinbueller |
Great, another hijacking! Be careful how you move forward with this, Adam, as Court can be quite the accomplished debater if pushed in that direction. I'm of the opinion that there is a basic failure to communicate here. I'm interested in the lag on acceleration, as the pre-production demos at Pocono East and the production models I've ridden did not exhibit this issue. I would love to see the live data to see if something is askew, but something that so adversely affect the power train like this sounds more mechanical than engine management. I'm hoping HDWrench takes me up on my offer to share the live data. All it can do is benefit the entire dealer network if there is an issue that needs to be addressed. Chris | ||
| Doerman |
Hi Odinbueller.. I have 6K miles on mine and I have experienced what I would call an "acceleration abnormality" 3 times. Symptom: When grabbing full throttle around 4500 to 6K rpm, there's no power. Last time it happened, I believe I saw the dash go blank as well. Can't be entirely sure about that. Remedy Roll off the throttle and back on and it is gone Conditions when it occurs No common condition that I can detect in terms of fuel level (not on reserve)/ambient temps/coolant temp/(my mental state)/or anything else; except for one thing: I have either climbed from sea level to 4-5000 feet or vice versa. In other words, altitude change. I only have 500 miles since the re-flash and the three previous occurrences were pre-re-flash. I hope that helps you and Hdwrench in your search for the answers. | ||
| Odinbueller |
Interesting! Keeping in mind that the Throttle Position, Manifold Absolute Pressure, Fuel Pressure, and Barometric Pressure sensors ALL share the same 5 VDC feed from pin 24 on the ECM, and the TP, MAP & Fuel Pressure sensors all share the same sensor ground on pin 27 on the ECM, this sounds electrical. At least in Asbjorn's case. Since the throttle blipping makes the issue goes away, I'm leading to bad ground in that circuit. Hard to tell via the Internet, but that's where I'd focus my attention first. Also, are there any DTCs? Engine light on at the time of the issue or at key on? This definitely helps though! Chris | ||
| Odinbueller |
Or maybe loose battery connections? The display going blank points in that direction, too. IC gets constant battery power outside the engine management circuits, but everything gets battery power, so I'd also look under the tail section for loose or poor connections to the battery. | ||
| Doerman |
No codes or engine light. Haven't had a code since the front O2 sensor was replaced (5K miles ago). I've not taken it to the dealer either since it is so obscure and there's nothing but anecdotal data at this point - so no codes or data for the dealer to work with. In reality it does not bother me. Though I'd bring it up since it seemed to fit with what HDwrench brought up. Al Lighton of (American Sport Bike) described that he had something similar happen to his on one occasion and if I remember correctly, he too was going up or coming down from Palomar mountain, fitting well the altitude change parameter. Do you think that the pin connector might be loose so when the ECM on pins 24 and 27 draws extra current to adjust for changing barometric pressure (and perhaps temp) conditions that the loose connection rears it's head? | ||
| Spatten1 |
I remember correctly, he too was going up or coming down from Palomar mountain, fitting well the altitude change parameter. Same in the Cycle World article. They specifically mentioned fueling issues and hard re-starts (can't remember if it stalled or not) on Palomar Mtn. | ||
| Crowley |
Odin, you may well be right but it would be nice if Court didn't make assumptions about 'smoke and mirror logic' as well, I was simply quoting what BUK told me. However, I'd agree with him that the information (I didn't supply it) given to me by BUK may well be misleading and inaccurate. Asking a questing as to whether what I was told is true is completely different to being accused of calling someone a liar. In the UK we have laws about this kind of behavior. It's a shame there isn't a Tech section for the 1125 so that useful posts, such as yours, HD, Jeff, etc could be used by owners of the 1125 who wish to get them running as they were intended to by the designer. I have no interest in hearing about how exciting the factory is. | ||
| Luisemilio25r |
Just picked up mine today! I had to direct the service adviser to this forum. They where great about it! Thank you very much Bobby from Barnett Harley Davidson! The bike feels better at low rpms. I can let it in first gear and not touch the throttle and idle at 9 mph @ 1400rpm! I also noted that the bike now uses one radiator fan all the time and the other like an auxiliary fan. It turns on only if necessary. Today I reset the MPG average and rode it to work, an 18 miles 80% highway 20% city ride, and the computer showed an even 40MPG reading. I rode it like I would drive a car. No weelies, no 100+ sprints or anything like that. Just 65 to 80 mph. I love this bike. It has lots of power, it's agile, brakes are awesome, and it looks good doing it. Oh! Also it has lots of power, did I said that already? | ||
| Court |
>>>I have no interest in hearing about how exciting the factory is. I'd have guessed that absent your having even mentioned it. Your words were ill considered. I did the unthinkable, picked up the phone and simply called the manager of HD/Europe. There was no need QUOTING YOU HERE "Can I assume this official source is lying to me?” You may assume there is poor, as has been mentioned communication. The information is indeed available if perhaps cumbersome to get to. As was mentioned here the other day it was initially placed in an unusual spot on HDNet. The Service Manual, solid ground for embarrassment on behalf of the staff at Tech Pubs (they've dropped the ball on some HD manuals as well) is not complete but working drafts are also there available to your dealers and some of us are reading them daily as they prepare for the final draft which will be public. Perhaps not "smoke and mirrors" and I don't think anyone lied. I think you got a load of "get them off my arse" smoke blown up your butt. The shining part of this, and toughen up while I lavish some more good news from the factory on you, is that the factory is working overtime and Saturdays to meet Euro demand which exceeds anything Buell dreamed of or the forecasters predicted. Buell is rapidly approaching (get ready . . here comes more joy) the 100 BUELLS PER DAY Milestone . . . You can open your eyes now. If you don't like the 1125R. . . don't buy it. Court | ||
| Crowley |
Fair enough. Good job I love the bike 'coz I bought one  | ||
| Crowley |
Now back to the tech stuff - how can I make my rear tyre last more than 1300 miles, mine's completely fried  | ||
| Spectrum |
how can I make my rear tyre last more than 1300 miles Quit twisting the happy stick!  | ||
| Crowley |
Sorry, that would take the 1125 outside of its design parameter  | ||
| Odinbueller |
A loose connection is possible. Would need to wiggle test it to see if an open occurs. I'll keep looking to see what may be causing this. | ||
| Slypiranna |
...back to thread topic...I had my Dec 07 build reflashed last week with this update. Done while I waited and hats off to Spencer and the guys at HD of Clearwater, Florida. Great team! FYI...it took four days for the ecu to settle in and the LFV to make happy. I checked diag mode daily for the values to update. Much better throttle transients were an immediate notice. Where the bike was totally unusable below 4k rpms since purchased new in Jan 08, now it is tolerable. Not perfect but much improved. For that reason alone, I'm pleased because the 3k rpm range is more streetable when in slow traffic and or school zones. The higher idle that mine exibits from time to time is the only concern that I have left but I will continue to give the electronics more patience to adjust before judging. All in all, great job Buell and thank you for corrections becoming available as you have them. Loyal owners do appreciate your efforts. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Got my reflash today, finally. With the AFV at 100 again she runs like crap at low rpm. The fan stuff works cool, I've heard two different speeds and had just the left fan run or both. I was wacking the throttle, up and down from 4-5k and had it go flat on me twice, odd feeling. Felt like the injectors turned off, completely. I don't think it was the Active Intake solenoid, the throttle pressure on my hand didn't seem to change. I'd like a little more info on conditions required for open/closed loop and conditions for that friggin solenoid to actuate. The E-Manual is a bit vague there. I, as Spectrum noted, had a different calibration number than the one above. Mine was BUEWJ0D6 too, but is now M3HUS02Y. Loretta came off the line November 6th. Guess i have bumpy riding for the next few days, till the AFV settles. It's all good, just kinda sucks the only thing I really notice is a degradation in performance. I'll get it back. Zack | ||
| Bigdog_tim |
Based on this thread (and another with some similar info), is the concensus that the ECM reflash will cause the bike to run a little rough at <3K/3.5K RPMs? At least until the AFV dials back in? I am a little confused (of course, that is pretty easy to do for me). I see some people have reported less surge at the 3-4K band. I just turned 2000 miles and the surge/stutter/rough ride has mellowed a lot since break-in. The last thousand miles or so have been with a wide range of RPM speeds - including running it at around 8500 RPM for up to 5 minutes or so at a time. I sort of assumed that taking her through the range was helping the AFV sort itself. I am scheduled to try again to get the refresh on Thursday. Has me thinking - maybe I don't want to fix something that seems to be getting better by itself. (Got to love self healing bikes). | ||
| Jpfive |
My reflash is scheduled for Friday, with a trip to Deal's Gap area a week later. The bike is running too well to do this so close to a rare chance to dance in the mountains...so am reconsidering. I think I'll have it done when I get back, and give myself and the bike time to sort it all out in local riding. I appreciate the input from those who have had the reflash. Thanks - and keep it coming. I plan a dyno run while in the mountains. This will be the fourth bike on the same dyno, so look forward to comparing the differences - and sharing them here. Jack | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
250+ miles since re-flash Bike seems to still stumble a little at low rpm's , I think it's probably about as smooth as it's gonna get , bike runs warmer than before , my seat and feet also seem to be warmer , it may be my imagination....but it smell's like the engine paint is finally baking on ???  But no complaints or problems really , was wondering if anyone else has the same experience's ??? (Message edited by Thurstonbuell on May 06, 2008) (Message edited by Thurstonbuell on May 06, 2008) (Message edited by Thurstonbuell on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Tasmaniac |
Hey Astro Sorry mate but there was only the Starter Solenoid bolts and reflash. as far as i know Brett | ||
| Xb9 |
I heard the solonoid only kicks in in third gear between 3-4K - don't know if that is an acurate statement. Strickly for noise abatement. | ||
| Bobup |
the only thing I have noticed about the engine while running is at idle it wants to constantly surge from 1200 to about 1700 rmps...kinda weird while riding...no issues at all that I have encountered.... and the battery is fully charged every time I go to ride | ||
| Odinbueller |
"Mine was BUEWJ0D6 too, but is now M3HUS02Y." Some ECMs are displaying the firmware version instead of the calibration number. As long as your build date on your frame is within the Product Program guidelines, you should have no problems. Chris |
