| Author | Message | ||
     Luvthemtorts |
That is what I'm talking about! Makes the 1125 look like a bike I would actually want to own. | ||
| Bertman |
When I was at the PTT event at the Streets of Willow last year, I was looking at the 1125R and a Firebolt together. With a Buell engineer right there beside me, I was trying to figure out what it would take to change out the XBRR type fairing (that I still don't really like) to a Firebolt fairing. This talk was on a not even released yet for the masses bike. | ||
| Sleez |
if anyone wants to get rid of their 1125R fairing and lights, i want em!!! | ||
| Towjam |
I like the lower fairing - it seems to "complete" the look of the 1125. But no way in hell would I swap the 1125's stock lights for those POS Firebolt headlights. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Be sure to take a ride behind the stock 1125r fairing before you are so quick to give it up...and check out the lighting system.... | ||
| Spectrum |
I think this full fairing kit just wasn't thought out very well. It would have made much more sense to make it a 2 piece modular kit. In other words keep the front and lower sections separate. Give consumers a choice as to whether to stay with the stock fairing or go with the Firebolt fairing. This would have been better for the manufacture, retailer and consumers. It would have lowered cost and given consumers a choice which would have increased sales. (Message edited by spectrum on February 18, 2008) | ||
| Trojan |
I think this full fairing kit just wasn't thought out very well. It would have made much more sense to make it a 2 piece modular kit. In other words keep the front and lower sections separate. Give consumers a choice as to whether to stay with the stock fairing or go with the Firebolt fairing. This would have been better for the manufacture, retailer and consumers. It would have lowered cost and given consumers a choice which would have increased sales. I am sure that there will eventually be another kit (or kits) to fit lowers onto the stock 1125R fairing, but that was never the point or the remit for this full fairing kit. The whole design remit for this kit was to give the 1125R a more 'conventional' sportsbike appearance that would appeal to a broader spectrum, particularly over here in Europe where the stock looks have come in for a lot of criticism from press & public alike. Great wind protection and planet blasting headlights are after all no good when the bike is parked up at the local mid summer bike meet (where most 1125R's will end up of course) What counts there is killer looks ;) Impractical bikes are probably the most popular over here, so not many sportsbike riders tend to care about headlight performance (they don't ride in the dark) or even fairing effectiveness (Why is the Suzuki B-King so popular?). Those considerations are the preserve of the sport touring brigade, which is a totally separate market sector altogether. For good or evil, 'Sportsbike' riders over here want a bike that looks like it has just escaped from a GP paddock, and practical considerations be damned. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Great wind protection and planet blasting headlights are after all no good when the bike is parked up at the local mid summer bike meet (where most 1125R's will end up of course) What counts there is killer looks ;) Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back with the supposed killer looks of this kit. Just like some don't like the looks of the stock 1125r, some don't like the looks of this kit. Personally, I think you are nuts if you believe this is an improvement. I don't get it. If someone is so into form over function--save yourself the trouble and GET A DUCATI. After all, with the expense of the kit plus lights you are that much closer to 1098 territory. If you want to make it look like a repi-racer, there are LOTS of cheaper options. | ||
| Jpfive |
Bingo! | ||
| Spectrum |
I think you missed my point Matt. They could have accomplished everything you said with a modular design. Lower price point and had a market for the lower with folks that liked the stock fairing. I stand by my comment. "it just wasn't thought out"! | ||
| Trojan |
If someone is so into form over function--save yourself the trouble and GET A DUCATI. If you honestly believe that the Ducati 1098 is form over function then you must be mad or have not tried one, and in either case quite beyond redemption ;) The lighting system used on this full fairing has been good enough on the firebolt (for most customers) for 6 years and is still in production, so although maybe not up to 1125R standards isn't exactly useless. Like I said earlier, horses for course. A large proportion of European sportsbike riders will never ride in the dark or the rain, so it is a moot point just how good lights have to be. In fact there is a growing tendency here in the UK for people to build what we call 'Daytime MOT' specials that have no lights fitted at all other than the brake light. These are used purely for summer Sunday blasts and for trackdays, so why fit them when you don't need or use them after all? Unlike parts of the USA we don't have to travel 500 miles for a bike meet or to see a race meeting, and most 'events' are within an hour or two's ride at most here in the UK. Unless you are wanting to commute or tour then lights are just extra weight to a lot of riders, me included. You can now buy a Honda CBR600RR or 1000RR without lights as a 'race special', but there is nothing stopping anyone riding it on teh road over here once registered. I am not advocating that the full fairing kit is for everybody, and never was. Likewise the 'high & wide' 1125R look isn't for everyone either. 'Vive La diference' | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ducati 1098 = Bike first, rider second Buell 1125r = Rider first, Bike second No lights? I wouldn't even consider riding a bike without lights. We are already obscure on the road and now take away the feature that gives us a hint of visibility? Brilliant! Now their supposed rejection of the 1125r is making more sense. | ||
| Freight_dog |
Personally, I like it. I was at the dealer today and they had an 1125R sitting next to an XB12R. I thought the XB looked leaner and more athletic although we know the truth is the opposite. I really don't like the Jimmy Durante schnoz, and no sportbike should EVER look pregnant, I should know, I ride a Kan-a-tuna. That fairing just cleans up the lines of the bike and the XB-R headlights still let you know it is a Buell. (Message edited by freight_dog on February 18, 2008) | ||
| Buellborn |
This must be the only place on earth that Ducati's get a bad rap. Kinda funny. | ||
| Jpfive |
If I was to summarize the feeling toward Ducatis that I have seen on other boards, it would be that they are overpriced, over rated and unreliable - sort of like a Volvo. I'm sure that's not the case on Ducati boards. Personally, I think they are wonderful bikes, icons to the spirit of sport biking. The 1098/848 may well be the most beautiful bikes in production today - IMHO, of course. Jack | ||
| Doerman |
Even if I admire and really enjoy riding my buddy's 999 I still have a problem at stoplights trying to crane my head up far enough to see when the light is changing. When on the track you don't have stoplights so it is not a problem. Therefore the statement above, "form over function" is correct regarding the street. Don't get me wrong, the Duc 999 is a delight. But I prefer my 1125R any day, anywhere. | ||
| Brad1445 |
I think Goldwings were designed with the rider in mind too? | ||
| Bad_karma |
Has there ever been any evidence to support the theory that lights on save lives and/or avoids accidents? Joe | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Has there ever been any evidence to support the theory that lights on save lives and/or avoids accidents? Do you not think this to be the case? I would bet LOTS of money on it. | ||
| Trojan |
Has there ever been any evidence to support the theory that lights on save lives and/or avoids accidents? There have been studies that have produced evidence both for and against using lights in daylight. Some studies have come out firmly in favour, others have said that it makes no difference if your bike is painted dayglo pink and you have a lighthouse on your head. Car drivers are not looking for bikes, and their brains are programmed to look for 'car shaped objects & larger' rather than narrow profile bikes, so they automatically discount them. Before starting our business, I used to ride a marked Police motorcycle in London. I lost count of the people who still pulled out in front of me, even with hi-viz paintwork, flashing headlights, blue lights, and sirens running! I even had one taxi driver drive straight into the side of me when I was stationary at a junction! Personally I think headlight choice it should be a matter of personal choice rather than a compulsory dictat. | ||
| Trojan |
 If a car driver can't see this then having headlights on seems a bit of a waste really  | ||
| Zac4mac |
Spot on Matt. I moved to Colorado 20+ years ago, simply because there were mountains and no helmet law. Lights on in the daytime? sounds like a law made for bulb manufacturers, replace 'em twice as often. I believe the cagers CAN see me and are trying their best to kill me. BTW, Matt - get 'em to make a good set of lowers that let me keep my "Hammerhead" fairing. I like it. I'll like it even more once I raise it a bit. Zack ???? How can the cops ride that with a straight face???? (Message edited by zac4mac on February 19, 2008) | ||
| Trojan |
???? How can the cops ride that with a straight face???? I Normally had a grin a mile wide! Certainly never had a straight face when riding through London traffic at up to 70mph on one  Thak God for full face helmets ;) | ||
| Rick_a |
I don't like it at all. This is a much more elegant solution. Be patient...  | ||
| No_rice |
i still dont understand why a person has to have a race license to get that thing either... | ||
| Garrett2 |
holy moly i want it! | ||
| Rick_a |
If you talk to your friendly local Buell dealer parts guy they may be able to get you parts for "track day" use. I think it'll be a while before it's available for retail purchase. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Except for the front fender it looks like just lowers and a belly pan were added. Everything else appears to be stock. That would be great for us guys that like full faired bikes. Can anybody confirm this? Seems like any major aftermarket fiberglass/composite mfgr. could do this fairly easy. I guess it will matter with how many 1125's there are to warrant the tooling costs to make it profitable. I want one for sure. Bob | ||
| No_rice |
If you talk to your friendly local Buell dealer parts guy they may be able to get you parts for "track day" use. I think it'll be a while before it's available for retail purchase. i am my friendly local buell dealer! still cant get ahold of one with out a race license. i havent given up yet though... | ||
| Baggermike |
there going to be a new study done on motorcycle accident, over the last ten years it has been rising like 5% a year or something like that and they want to know why, the most common is the left turn in front of you, I also believe I have like a six sense and is why I am alive, now this is weird, I was in two accidents with my wife fist one she said something to slow me down and was hit right were her leg was and she had a broken leg and I was not hurt, second one was she could not take out the helmet speakers so I had to pull over and do it for her got back on the highway and not a mile and was in another accident were she passed away. Both times she caused me to be in a different time and place, and it take perfect timing to get in an accident. Now if I ride someone I have one rule do not say anything that will change my direction or place. Mike |
