| Author | Message | ||
     Baggermike |
Here is the link to the lemon law for the state of Maine and would like help with this problem and it seems really clear to me that as of wednesday the bike has been at the dealership 15 working days so here is the link www.carlemon.com/lemon/ME_lemonguide.html let me know what you think if you can. and would be much appreciated. Mike | ||
| Zac4mac |
Looks like it can take a while, Mike. Get all your paperwork in the right sequence. Outline of the Lemon Law Process Substantial Defect / ...................... \ Three repair --- 15 business days attempts for --- out of service the same defect --- for one or more defects \ ......................... / Substantial Defect continues | Manufacturer's seven-business day final repair opportunity | Substantial Defect continues | Right to refund/replacement | Right to State Lemon Law Arbitration Looks pretty straightforward. Z | ||
| Buzzie |
Hey Interex. The wiring diagram is currently available to the dealer techs. Online. | ||
| Interex2050 |
Thanks for the heads up Brian... I will try to coax one of the techs into making a print. Although what I really need right now is an 1125R to take measurements from... As taking reference measurements from photos on Google is proving to be a bit frustrating. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Interex, what measurements do you need Perhaps we can help? | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks Zack it sucks being me sometimes and riding, customizing, and music are my only pleasures and when I ride I listen to music so all I been able to do is think about how to improve the looks of the bike, and sitting here searching for parts and listening to the news and it just sucks big time having the two buell I bought in june and december has given me so much trouble, My Dealership is super nice and I know they are doing there best not like the other dealership that lied to me about the new models coming out and took over two month to fix the ulysses and I told them it was my only way to get around. Anyway I got some new parts for the blast and it has a new problem and I think I got that figured out and it is going to be 50 degrees out so I go work to do on the blast which will make me chill a little. Mike | ||
| Interex2050 |
Harlan, I really appreciate the offer, but its a bit of a mess. I am hoping for a quick resolution with my bike, that way I can do the measurements/disassembly myself. More on this later, although I hope not too much later. | ||
| Surgeon |
it is really out of the dealerships hands right now, buell is being swamped by questions and techs are trying there best to deal with something new, this is what happens when you buy something first production year and you should have known this going into it that is why the factory needs to be called before a dealership even takes an 1125r in for service so be patient i went from having 5 trouble codes to having none. So even if you lemon lawed your bike you know how long it would take to get another one! | ||
| Interex2050 |
Serge, Indeed, and perhaps I am a fool for getting the first generation... But this is not the first time I have gotten a first generation bike: Both my '78 CX500 and '04 XB12R were first generation bikes too. But I needed a bike, because I was sick of borrowing other peoples bikes... I think 2+ months was too long for someone to be without a bike just because I needed a way to get around. So I had an opportunity and decided to take a "risk"... which backfired. Then one should also take into account that most people are not having issues, it was just a matter of bad luck. Well if it is really going to take that long to get things resolved, perhaps I should try to just get a refund... Last time I checked there were a lot of good bikes in the used market; BMWs, Moto Guzzis... In particular a minty V11 Cafe Sport, it went for almost nothing too. Darn it, now I am back to thinking about it... And now I've got my panties in a twist. | ||
| Spatten1 |
this is what happens when you buy something first production year and you should have known this going into it I have to disagree. I worked for Kawasaki Motors Corp., USA and we had occasional "teething problems" with new models, but it was the exception, not the rule. Japanese mfgs redesign models every 2-3 years and would be out of business if they had the frequency that Buell does of new model problems. I am speaking as an ex-owner of a 1999 X1 and a current owner of a 2003 XB, so I have had plenty of down time to think about this. I had 20 years of Japanese equipment with almost zero issues, and my Buells have needed quite a bit of TLC. I am hoping that the 1125 is different and after the voltage issue is resolved that they will be trouble free. Spending 12k on a new bike shouldn't come with expectations of weeks of shop time. I know buyers of Japanese bikes expect them to be perfect, buyers of Buells should be able to expect the same. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Honestly Scott, there are the vast majority of us whose only downtime on the bike is from Mother Nature. Peter, I'm kinda surprised that after looking at your intakes, BMC hasn't given you a new 1125 and whisked the old one off to the R&D labs for a teardown and FA. I thought that's what "Infant Care" was. My fingers are crossed for you. Z | ||
| Court |
I'd echo that. Buell had, and lost, a great chance to do something that would be very powerful and send a very confidence inspiring message. I'm withholding judgement because I have very few facts. My PERSONAL OPINION is that often times the haste with with a solution is delivered is more important than the actual solution. This is more critical for a new product when the process is being so closely monitored by so many potential buyers wanting their confidence elevated. If, and again I know very little about this, I'd been in the mix I'd have had an answer to the owner, even if it was "screw you, it's something you screwed up fiddling with the bike" within 48 hours. I hope, and am confident there is, that there's much more to this than meets the eye. The outward (again based on few facts) is that the Buell Customer Service folks are stumbling over themselves. | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . . read your Lemon Laws carefully. That, in my opinion, is about the worst way to solve any problem with a vehicle. Read the fine print and decide for yourself. There are wide variations from state to state, | ||
| Interex2050 |
Thanks Zack. I needed that. Court, I would really rather not resort to the Lemon Law... I think that a solution will eventually surface, I just hope that it will be soon. I am just tired, and this is just one more thing for me to have to worry about. Perhaps I should be more forceful in the matter, but then I do not want to be too much of an ass. A very VERY stupid idea crossed my mind, which would would be detrimental in every respect to my "financial stance" in the "real" world. I could just stop paying for it, cancel the insurance... and disregard its existence. And let the repo company that they will send after it figure out where it is. Its so tempting to just pretend that this whole thing never happened. Of coarse I would never do something like that, because of the complications that would arise. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I would at least ask Buell to reimburse your payments for the weeks of downtime. It will probably not happen, but I'd request a supervisor and ask. It would be cheaper than any other alternative for Buell (lemon law or replacement), and seems to be a fair request, not a money grab. | ||
| Interex2050 |
Scott, That is an idea... Although payments are not the biggest issue... The bigger issue is insurance. Insurance costs a fortune at this point... I have another payment due soon; which in turn means that I would have dumped $720 into insuring a bike which I do not even get to ride. Then we again come back to the problem of having to borrow other peoples bikes. As far as I am concerned "my" firebolt is no longer mine, and I am borrowing it from its new owner. My goodness, I am in such a bitter mood today...hah! | ||
| Spatten1 |
Ask for the insurance payments too, prorated for what is correct. You will be asking for what is fair, with no punitive payments for the pain and suffering, just the money you are out due to the mechanical problem. I was very bitter last winter when my engine was on the workbench. I understand. I hated the bike and Buell the whole time. Now I've healed and have decided I really like my bike and will keep it. I can't justify it economically, I just really like the bike for some un-quantifiable reason. When you get back on the road you will feel better, but I won't tell you the way you feel now is wrong. | ||
| Baggermike |
I did think of asking my sales man to give me like a merchandise credit for all my troubles and now should maybe ask buell them selves, did get things rolling and got my sons bike fixed, the weather is warm so spent the day in the garage, buell is sending part for my bike a fuel pump and ecm, hope it is overnite delivery. Mike | ||
| Court |
Ask for you house payments too . . . . since you had to live a life mired in sorrow,  I'm kidding of course. . . . but I'd suggest you think for yourself. The internet is great entertainment, poor counsel. My goal when I am called upon to intervene in such things to to find the "right" solution. To determine entitlement and make certain all parties are treated fairly and with respect. It certainly greases the skids of getting you where you want to be. Be persistent, polite and honest. Next time you see me ask me about the fine print in Lemon Laws . . . I've got a nasty habit of reading things like the FMV regs and laws. The "idea" behind lemon laws favors consumers, the operation doesn't necessarily depending on the details. I've a dandy tale of a fellow who . . . to his amazement . . . got exactly what he demanded. Be persistent, polite and honest. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Well Court, we heard TONS of blathering about the extensive testing on the 1125 that would ensure these guys could ride, not pay for a bike that sits in the shop. These guys did not sign up as beta testers at a discount. They paid full boat. Why do you think asking for compensation for damages is out of line? Would pursuing the lemon law be more favorable for Buell? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Bagger, not to open a can of worms here....but I am curious about your specific problems. Forgive me, I am sure that you have illustrated them somewhere here...so the reader's digest version would be great. Is it more the the "normal" problem of the dead battery? | ||
| Baggermike |
Hi Fresnobuell started with the bike not heating my gear then found out it had a bad voltage regulator had like a fuell pump code voltage code comm error code and a couple more. They found out I had a bad voltage regulator and replaced it and went on my way and the battery went to almost dead again, went back hooked up all my heated gear to the bike and started it and they said I was good to go, on the way home I did not use my full suit just jacket liner and gloves, got home battery was almost dead again and the shop is 110 miles away all highway at 4300rpms and I live a mile off the highway, the buell blast that is a piece of sht heats my gear really good and has the same size battery, and find it weird that it can heat my gear and the 1125R can not also tested the ulysses I bought in June and that heated my gear really good same size battery to, and it had broke down in october, oil pump went so I got it back in december over two month later and do not want to get into that. I read that the voltage regulator can harm the battery and think that I have a bad battery but what makes sence is when I was at the shop they said the bike had no problem running my gear and riding home the highway at 4300 rpms and I live just one mile off the highway and it drained the battery using only half my gear, so it makes since that as the bike gets hot the voltage must drop, and I think the fuel pump quit I could never hear it and had a trouble code for that also, then the bike will not start and has been at the dealership since january. Buell just sent a fuel pump and ecm to the dealership but no stator today so finally they are doing something for me and has been real frustrating because I had just got done without my ulysses for over two month and then I get that back and it is leaking oil and then swaped for the 1125R and now more problems, plus a buell blast I bought used and had a bunch of problems to, so fall and winter has been hell and I have owned 3 new buell all had trouble one used Buell and had problems to but was from a dealership that said runs great for year 2002 and miles 6000 but did not tell me it had been sitting for years and almost wiped out on it because the trans oil had water in it from sitting all those years and as it got hot it mixed turned to foam and came out all over the left rear of the tire and slid in a rotory but controled it, I think I got a Buell curse or something. Mike | ||
| Interex2050 |
Ask for you house payments too . . . . since you had to live a life mired in sorrow well there was that very nice place in Malibu next to my favorite canyons  Any whom, all will be well in the end... I just need to keep my spirit up. I will keep you guys posted | ||
| Spatten1 |
Mike, Check the clutch cable adjuster boot on the bike that had water in the tranny oil. The older XBs did not seal at the top of the boot and let water in when washing or riding in the rain. If so, put a zip tie at the top of the boot to seal it. Also, you might want to make sure that the drive gear pully does not have play. The needle bearings on mine coming out of the tranny rusted out. Could have been worse if I did not find it early. | ||
| Baggermike |
Spatten on the blast the trany vent hose is located in a place that lets water in and I rerouted the hose and should no longer be a problem. Mike | ||
| Interex2050 |
Very interesting... Apparently I have simply been left out of the loop... I just got off the phone with Buell Customer Service and they said that they sent out a new fuel rail and fuel pump. So things are moving... Although I am concerned that they approaching the issues in the wrong order. The gentleman that I spoke to did not see anything about the deposits on the valves... I would think that it should be the first thing to address because it could be the most substantial problem. But I did express my concern about that, so we shall see. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Thanks for the update! It is very helpful for those of us thinking about buying a 1125. | ||
| Baggermike |
Interex I also was sent a fuel pump and told them I have charging system problems and it is like the techs never went to Florida, I told them this is the same thing that was wrong with the bike in Florida and I am getting no were with them, anyway the fuell pump should be in today and then I will see if it runs and will report back asap. Mike | ||
| Interex2050 |
RANT: on Unfortunately I am starting to get the impression that the valve deposits are not a priority; which I think should be PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, because that is about 30k+ miles worth of deposits in less then 2k. I am starting to seriously consider getting rid of the 1125R, its not worth the trouble of living with the knowledge that it is has been "tainted". Not to mention if I really wanted to pay to have to worry, why don't I just put the $14000 into a clear suitcase and go parading around a bad neighborhood. A BMW is starting to seem REALLY appealing, or maybe a XB9R...? RANT: off Personal thoughts aside: I spoke to Glendale today... They getting the new fuel pump and rail in. This is to address the hard starts when warm. Apparently there was a crack in the fuel rail... They are also replacing the front O2 sensor, as it was one of the major error codes. Once that is all together they are going to pop it on the Dyno and see what is going in with the lack of power... which may be resolved with the new fuel delivery system and O2 sensor. | ||
| Interex2050 |
A reminder of what the intake valves look like:  |
